Proposed ASA rule changes

[DonnieS]

Just a side FYI, vis-a-vis the apprentice bit, my son (a college senior) told me yesterday that business/marketing internships in NYC are now usually completely unpaid. He would be better off financially on my daughter's athletic scholarship than what he will get if he is lucky enough to land an internship.

John

I am hearing from Maine that not only are they not getting paid, but rather HAVE TO pay to do the internship ... WTF?

Is all of the internship programs or some of them ? I would tell them to keep looking - respectfully decline the pay to play internships - and keep looking. That sounds unreal to expect someone to pay for an internship.

[jonriv]

Just a side FYI, vis-a-vis the apprentice bit, my son (a college senior) told me yesterday that business/marketing internships in NYC are now usually completely unpaid. He would be better off financially on my daughter's athletic scholarship than what he will get if he is lucky enough to land an internship.

John

I am hearing from Maine that not only are they not getting paid, but rather HAVE TO pay to do the internship ... WTF?

Most of the bigger firms offer paid internships in the NYC area (JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley etc.....)

Traditionally- entertainment jobs are unpaid(ie NBC, CBS etc....)

[MTR]

Just a side FYI, vis-a-vis the apprentice bit, my son (a college senior) told me yesterday that business/marketing internships in NYC are now usually completely unpaid. He would be better off financially on my daughter's athletic scholarship than what he will get if he is lucky enough to land an internship.

John

I am hearing from Maine that not only are they not getting paid, but rather HAVE TO pay to do the internship ... WTF?

Part of the grand plan to play to people's greed and laziness and some level of stupidity. Much like has been done in youth sports, they are being drilled with the belief that this is the only way to get ahead. The only way to advance is to pay for it.

Its like a buy-in and often it is only those who have money or some alternate support that can take these positions. But what would happen if no one would pay? They are depending on people buying in to their game.

[longbat]

Just a side FYI, vis-a-vis the apprentice bit, my son (a college senior) told me yesterday that business/marketing internships in NYC are now usually completely unpaid. He would be better off financially on my daughter's athletic scholarship than what he will get if he is lucky enough to land an internship.

John

I am hearing from Maine that not only are they not getting paid, but rather HAVE TO pay to do the internship ... WTF?

There's nothing at all unusual about the unpaid or 'pay for' internship, especially in NYC where business majors are a dime a dozen, with lots of unemployed ones looking for work. It's a result of a bad economy coupled with the fact that many college grads are ill-prepared for the workplace. Grad school costs big bucks...and so does hiring and training a mush brain out of school who may not perform. Either way...parents who think their kids are off the family payroll after fours years at Softball U...better think twice. It's a sign of the times...

[Battle]

My daughter has been getting a direct monthly payment as part of her athletic scholarship to help with off-campus living expenses. Last time I asked her, she was MAKING $600/month after expenses. She is being paid for one simple reason and it isn't because she inherited my incredible good looks. She performs a service and she is compensated for that service with, among other things, money that she can spend as she pleases. I rather doubt anyone looks at her softball "training" as being for post-college employment, yet she gets as much or more than the football players.

Just a side FYI, vis-a-vis the apprentice bit, my son (a college senior) told me yesterday that business/marketing internships in NYC are now usually completely unpaid. He would be better off financially on my daughter's athletic scholarship than what he will get if he is lucky enough to land an internship.

John

The apprenticeship rant was only to show that just because one is paid, doesn't make them a professional. So I guess you too are one that would consider a 9th grader a paid professional if the school pays themselves the tuition for the student to attend? Unbelievable...

What your daughter is getting isn't isolated to athletics therefore is not receiving anything that an academic scholarship wouldn't give. Did your daughter do well in HS? Did your daughter receive any academic money? Did she do well on the SAT/ACT? Students receive extra expense money all the time and not just athletes.

[MTR]

The apprenticeship rant was only to show that just because one is paid, doesn't make them a professional. So I guess you too are one that would consider a 9th grader a paid professional if the school pays themselves the tuition for the student to attend? Unbelievable...

What about the young lady whose parents cannot afford team fees or the costs of travel and the organization picks up her tab? Is she now a professional?

[Sam]

My daughter has been getting a direct monthly payment as part of her athletic scholarship to help with off-campus living expenses. Last time I asked her, she was MAKING $600/month after expenses. She is being paid for one simple reason and it isn't because she inherited my incredible good looks. She performs a service and she is compensated for that service with, among other things, money that she can spend as she pleases. I rather doubt anyone looks at her softball "training" as being for post-college employment, yet she gets as much or more than the football players.

Just a side FYI, vis-a-vis the apprentice bit, my son (a college senior) told me yesterday that business/marketing internships in NYC are now usually completely unpaid. He would be better off financially on my daughter's athletic scholarship than what he will get if he is lucky enough to land an internship.

John

The apprenticeship rant was only to show that just because one is paid, doesn't make them a professional. So I guess you too are one that would consider a 9th grader a paid professional if the school pays themselves the tuition for the student to attend? Unbelievable...

What your daughter is getting isn't isolated to athletics therefore is not receiving anything that an academic scholarship wouldn't give. Did your daughter do well in HS? Did your daughter receive any academic money? Did she do well on the SAT/ACT? Students receive extra expense money all the time and not just athletes.

You are the sole poster talking about professionals. The argument about 9th graders was about high school recruiting. Keep it straight and you might be able to keep up.

[Sam]

The apprenticeship rant was only to show that just because one is paid, doesn't make them a professional. So I guess you too are one that would consider a 9th grader a paid professional if the school pays themselves the tuition for the student to attend? Unbelievable...

What about the young lady whose parents cannot afford team fees or the costs of travel and the organization picks up her tab? Is she now a professional?

Mike,

Kids who can't afford to play travel generally don't play travel. Some teams waive team fees for players in financial need. They aren't paid. They typically do fundraising and their team fees are paid out of the fundraising.

There might be a problem if the travel team paid for her to go to a private school.

[Battle]

You are the sole poster talking about professionals. The argument about 9th graders was about high school recruiting. Keep it straight and you might be able to keep up.

LOL...Yeah, I'm the one that brought it up by definition and then said I didn't say it. I'll try to keep up from now on.

I can agree that HS recruiting is definitely happening but I don't consider the student as "being paid" if attending a private school and tuition is paid for them by the school.

[Sam]

You are the sole poster talking about professionals. The argument about 9th graders was about high school recruiting. Keep it straight and you might be able to keep up.

LOL...Yeah, I'm the one that brought it up by definition and then said I didn't say it. I'll try to keep up from now on.

I can agree that HS recruiting is definitely happening but I don't consider the student as "being paid" if attending a private school and tuition is paid for them by the school.

Really? You don't understand the subtle difference between being a professional and being a worker. The fact that you get paid for doing something doesn't make you a professional.

I get it....you have a problem with my argument but you can't really poke holes in it because it makes sense...so you create a new argument that you think you can win....Ok.