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1 year suspension for illegal bats

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by Gone in 2.6 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:21 am

NumeroUno wrote:I heard colleges have been warned that a 1 year suspension for illegal bats will be enforced this year. The player and coach will both get a suspension if a altered bat has been used. Has anyone else heard this?

I personally don't believe it, their is no way you can prove a player rolled her bat.


You're probably right. Too bad, I'd like to see it. It's very obvious to me that the sport still is not "clean".
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by Gone in 2.6 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:26 am

Spazsdad wrote:So every school would have to test all of their bats before each game to make sure they haven't exceeded the standards? Uhm, OK. That is feasible.
sounds like heaven to me.

I don't want to go to your heaven


The SEC tested all bats before each SERIES this season but not each game.
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by AlwaysImprove » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:19 am

Bat rolling is not an illegal activity. So, I am not sure a post containing a link to a bat rolling service should be removed. Most bat rollers are more than happy to invite you over and show you their operation. If the bat roller is smart, he will merely spend a few minutes making it clear to you that he is rolling the bat for demonstration purposes only, like a homerun competition. He then makes it clear that you are responsible for making sure the bat is not used in any association which considers the bat illegal. He should probably have you sign a form that states you understand.

Selling a rolled bat is probably an illegal activity. The bat has stickers which are trademarked. Two stickers in particilar can create a problem. One is the brands sticker, the other is the ASA sticker. It is pretty easy for the manufacturer, or for ASA to prove that by selling a rolled bat you are misrepresenting their trademarks. Both ASA and bat manufactures have won suits against bat rollers for trademark infringement.

There are no secrets. This guy has some nice video of his operation.
http://www.bigdawgbatrolling.com/
Here is where you buy the bat rolling machines
http://www.batrollers.com/

You should note the bat rolling guide Panther is selling. These will tell you how hard to push the roller based on the model of the bat. Given the ABI testing ASA is now doing, the rolling guide is the key ingredient to get that pop on the bat. If you just buy the machine and turn your bat in it, you are not going to accomplish much. You have to really crank it down. Crank it down too much and you destroy the bat. The guide tells you how hard to crank it down for the model of the bat.

ASA should buy 2 of his rolled bats, 2 of his shaved bats add in 4 non-modified bats. Get them all as Demarnini CF4's. Umps will not be able to determine the modified bats versus the non-modified. Send all the 4 modified bats and one unmodified to WSU testing laboratory, I bet you will be surprised. You could do the whole project for about $2.5K. The shaved bats will be jumping hot. The rolled bats will be pretty hot.

It is illegal to use a rolled bat in ASA ruleset play. Some people feel that rolling a bat is the same as hitting a couple of thousand balls with a bat, it is just another break-in technique. Plus they rationalize, ASA uses bat rolling in testing of the bat. The rulebook is clear, you are not allowed to physically alter a bat, and the only reason you roll it is to physically alter it.

NCAA testing bats between series (SEC), and before champoinship play helped a lot this year, IMHO. I did not see nearly the odd miss hit balls going over the fence. The homerun balls seem well hit. Homerun numbers were down.
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by AlwaysImprove » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:14 pm

Ah, and if you want to know what big dog is saying about the legality of his service:
http://www.articlesbase.com/baseball-articles/is-bat-rolling-illegal-what-does-asa-usssa-and-nsa-say-1130123.html
"....has made a slight dent in altered bat use but without testing bats at the parks with a precise compression tester there is no end to bats going above the mph legal limit."
"Bat rolling simply speeds up the break in process with out any detection."
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by ontheblack » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:15 pm

A few things here:
1) No, the sport is not clean when it comes to unaltered bats.

2) Not including rolled bats in with shaved bats is a mistake.

3) Dog knows his craft.

4) Many would be surprised at who cheats. For some it is like the runner leaving early - do it til you get caught...

5) The odds of getting caught with a rolled bat is less than the odds of getting a ticket on I-5 for going 70-75. Therefore for many in TB, it is worth the risk.
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by Goldcoloredglasses » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:50 pm

I know this might be a novel idea but you could always teach your kids how to hit...
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by ontheblack » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:58 pm

juiced ball or altered bat - you still have to know how to hit.
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by Gone in 2.6 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:33 am

ontheblack wrote:juiced ball or altered bat - you still have to know how to hit.


I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
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by ontheblack » Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:11 am

Gone in 2.6 wrote:
ontheblack wrote:juiced ball or altered bat - you still have to know how to hit.


I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.


I was responding to GCG's comment about teaching them to hit. It was poorly worded, but my point was that cheating with an altered bat doesnt make up for a lack of hitting skills.
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by PDad » Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:12 pm

ontheblack wrote:
Gone in 2.6 wrote:
ontheblack wrote:juiced ball or altered bat - you still have to know how to hit.


I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.


I was responding to GCG's comment about teaching them to hit. It was poorly worded, but my point was that cheating with an altered bat doesnt make up for a lack of hitting skills.

Same rationalization used by the baseball players taking PEDs...
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