California Community Colleges may lose all sports????

[Imperial SB Dad]

CCC athletics has value and does teach some valuable lessons please don't discount the value of this simply because the athlete is over 18.

You guys are wrong as to the scope of what a CCC is. We serve as a way for students to get their general education credits. The 2 years at a CCC can get a student the exact same education as the first 2 years at a 4 year school for a fraction of the price.

The remedial or work skills courses that you speak of are actually a major part of the problem at CCC's. A CCC is only funded by the state at 2/3 the level for a non-transferable unit that it is for the same unit in a transferable course while the cost to the school remains the same.

[Imperial SB Dad]

Hey Bo and AM - It has nothing to do with the gifted playing a sport - let's face the truth !! in middle school and high school sports the best players play and the rest get charity time or watch. It is a waste of our tax $$$ to be spent on JC / Community College sports when the $$ should be spent on students.

It is being spent on students who happen to be athletes too.

[Surehitter]

"A CCC is only funded by the state at 2/3 the level for a non-transferable unit that it is for the same unit in a transferable course while the cost to the school remains the same."

Like I said disco the sports which are a joke and use the $$$$$ to help with academic cost's. When these schools were started they did not have sports but as they grew sports were added because these schools wanted to be viewed as being on the same level as the 4 year schools. Get over it cancel the sports and anything neede to support sports at these schools and get back to training and teaching.

[Imperial SB Dad]

The statewide success rate for CCC for Summer 2010 was 76.69%. From the CCC Chancellors office website.

[Imperial SB Dad]

And the percentage of CC kids that actually do transfer to a 4 year and complete their degree is painfully low.
So in effect the remedial and work skills courses you offer are your main scope, that along with babysitting adults for 2 years until they are forced to get out into the workforce.

I can't find anything on degree completion once a student transfers but I found this study done on transfer rates.

http://www.cccco.edu/Portals/4/TRIS/research/ARCC/xfer_cair2007.pdf

Looks like the transfer rate hovers just over 40%.

[blackwidow]

The Transfer Function of Community Colleges:
http://ucmtransfers.pbworks.com/w/page/ ... tyColleges


http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/ ... grads-1880

[Hey Bo]

It isn't the problem you have sports at the JUCO level, It's that you have too many CCC's.

[IN IT 2 WIN IT]

Let's throw this question into the mix...

How many current or past Travel Ball, Junior College, or Division 1 Coaches started out either playing or Coaching at the JuCo level and when you did,, did you think it was a waste of someone's money back then???
I think you will be amazed at how many are out there.
I know of 1 California Community College that has produced probably more professional athletes than ANY Division 1 university and I bet that not one of those thought that when they were attending back in the day that the money funding the school sports programs was a waste. How about the typical family back then with say 5 kids all within a few years apart who's parents could not possibly pay the tuition for each to go to Major universities to play sports the CC was a way to help financially.
If your parents or grandparents tax monies were paying for CC's back in the day be sure to tell them ----I said THANKS.... It wasn't a waste to me!!!!!!

[blackwidow]

With the California Budget Crisis putting our state on the verge of bankruptcy, it's time to put our grown up hats on and realize that no matter what gets cut, some "group" will be unhappy about it.

The fact of the matter is, there is no pressing reason to have tax-payer funded athletic programs at the community college level.

Let's bring the issue down to a personal level.
If my family is going through a budget crisis and we must make the tough decision to cut expenses, where are you going to make the cuts?
Between food, education, medical care or extra curricular activities, my family would be cutting the extras. Period.
The state needs to make the same hard choices. Will every one be happy about it? NO

As a taxpaying family who owns an independent business, we paid in excess of $90,000 in federal, state and property taxes last year alone. We are tired of paying taxes for the promises of power seeking politicians who guarantee a world of prosperity to the masses without requiring any sacrifices.

And tax season is upon us again.


Cutting Community College Athletics
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/24/athletics

California Budget Crisis 2011: By the Numbers:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110302/tr_ ... _numbers_1

[Surehitter]

The CC are used by the poulation to get the general ed out of the way and move to the next level and for some to learn a trade and join the workforce. I am good with that - Don't ask me to fund athletics at these schools so these young adults can practice and goof off on our $$$ then move on to the four year school or quit as most do.

As usual with our government spen spend spend then come back and ask for more tax $$ and as far as the family with five kids " use birth control or quit having sex !!!!