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[lvtwft]

Lady Magic in, which other orgs are on board?
I would love to go to Sac instead of Stockton this time of the year...

[softballdad03]

Current list of teams signed up:
http://asatournaments.proboards.com/ind ... hread=1310

[watchtonsofsoftball]

Looks like Sorcerers in 18G with 2 teams and Grapettes 12u has 2 teams entered. So 2 more big orgs getting involved , now we need their 14s/16s teams in. I just saw AASA/JH in as well in the 18G division, so count another quality team. So far, I think it is doing well. There is probably no less than 40 teams waiting this thing out to decide which one they go to. I have to think that the ASA one is starting to look more appealing. Reallly the only draw back from teams in the east bay and central california is the 45 extra minute drive. Other than that , its cheaper to play, ASA sanctioned, quality teams/orgs., well organized, and for the most part better fields, no gate fees, ice chests/food allowed , etc. I think if each division can get around a 20-25 team field, it will be a big success. I think 12s and 14s with the amount of teams out there can achieve that , and also 18G.

[lv2earat8]

[quote]Looks like Sorcerers in 18G with 2 teams and Grapettes 12u has 2 teams entered. So 2 more big orgs getting involved , now we need their 14s/16s teams in. I just saw AASA/JH in as well in the 18G division, so count another quality team. quote]

So when does having a first year 16u in the "Gold" division good for the cause? Come on now, if you are going to be different make the "Gold" division for the elite teams only.

[triplecrown]

Are we really watering down the Gold division six months before it even starts

[watchtonsofsoftball]

Listen, I'm not going to defend these teams to much, but I will say this. Last year there was a few 16u teams that was beating 18g teams (not elite teams). All American and some of the better 16u teams will have to play 18g to see competition down in these parts. Otherwise they aren't going to be pushed. Its just the way it is, and you see it every year. This year is no different. I wouldnt say watering down the division as the team is solid and will be a lot of the 18u teams out there. Of course there is always haters, especially on hey bucket. If anything you will see the 16u teams playing harder than the 18g teams since they have a bit more to play for then some of the 'elite' teams out there who have girls signed. My feeling is johnnys team will hold its own and do fine, and more importantly start working towards a run at nationals/premier, whichever they decide on. My point of the post was it was another quality team no matter the division, and if you say otherwise your a hater.

[triplecrown]

Listen my point is six months from now when the dust settles, just like always you will have 16U teams playing in pools with weak 18U B teams. Now with this concept of single elimination on Monday, I LIKE THAT and, if I were JH i would much rather play 16's and battle it out on Monday against more than likely the best as I am hearing most of the better 16's are headed that way, THAN play 18's B pool play and get stuck playing an "elite" gold team on Monday and be "one and done", what makes you a better team?



btw, not a hater just a realist

[watchtonsofsoftball]

I completely agree with your last post. And I also agree it really doesnt matter until monday when it will be tougher for them to advance. I see Magic 16u and AASA as only 16s teams so far in 18g, and Im sure more to follow. IMO that would probably be your final anyhow in 16s whoever enters the 16s division as it doesnt sound like blue is entering the ASA one. That leaves those 2 and maybe a team or 2 who could also compete with them. Otherwise I dont see any reason to enter 16s as I'm sure their goal isnt to beat up on 16s sacramento/bay area teams, its to get better for nationals/premier. In a perfect world I'd like to see all of them play 16s and get a clear front runner for the summer, but I understand why it wont happen. It is so hard to get ALL the best teams in one tournament down here. Seems its always been like that. By it being that way it always leaves speculation on who is the best from a given area. Word is leaking out that some teams are now passing on ASA association tournaments to qualify for premier this year. So if your waiting for metros to see who is the best , that may not happen either. Could be a year of change this summer as teams decide what is economically best for their team while still maximizing exposure. On paper, Premier seems the way to go. However, in years past 16 nationals has been a big draw for college coaches. So we will see .....
As far as poser 18G teams, there is nothing you can do about it , short of invite only tourneys

[Iluvblue]

As far as poser 18G teams, there is nothing you can do about it , short of invite only tourneys





EASY FIX!! Have those divisions be single elimination tourneys after the 3 pool play games. Now the best funnel to each other, but nobody wants to do that, because then teams would actually have to play games to win that werent qualifiers, and why the hell would Gold teams actually want to do that???????

Like I said, field placement will determine where my teams go, and if my 16u team is going to get stuck out on the boonies playing 6-7 exposure games against a bunch of crap teams, I would place them in sac if others were there also. Like I said, I will do what I feel is best for my teams, and I personally hate the exposure format, so non exposure tourneys already are my preference.


By the way, I see 2 Ldy Magic teams signed up in Gold division..... so Im assuming one is the 16u???? Correct me on who is who as I dont really pay much attention. Seeing 2 Scorcerer teams in Gold makes things appealing. I am a big fan of teams determining who they play based upon how they do on the field. This is not looking bad.

That being said, I am not sure what I will do as of today. I am pretty happy with where our 16u is headed right now, even after the big tournover, and I am not sure spending big money on an exposure format tourney will be best for my 16u team.

[lv2earat8]

First off, I meant no disrespect to Jh and his team. My thought are if you are registered as a 14u team how about playing 14U and so on and.........

If the tourney director has knowledge of a exceptional team then let him/her invite the team to play up?

I am not sure but I don't think the Sorcerer will continue traveling to Sac. if they have to play many 16U teams?

I know that teams playing up has been going on for sometime now, but I just thought the Sac guys were doing something different?

Again just my thoughts