Shaved bats in HS play ??

[Tumblebug]

Although I could make a perfectly legal bat that would fail the test, a compression test is IMO the best option currently available. X-ray doesn't work on metal (ultrasound does) but a shaved-metal bat won't pass a compression test assuming the test number is legit.

Interesting. If it is your opinion - and I realize the limitations you may have on publically sharing - that the bats disallowed at Gold Nationals WERE legal, and merely failed a test that is close to real world, but NOT real world, then I'll scale back on my rhetoric addressed to your competitors.

Regards,

Scott

I'm gonna tiptoe a little bit here and simply tell you that you did not express my opinion the above post.

[ssarge]

Understood, thanks.

Best regards,

Scott

[MTR]

ASA Gold NAtionals xray'd all bats and threw out about 1/3 of them. Mailed them home. Of course, some of them were the stealths and CF3 under the old standard. But some were clearly shaved.

Where do people come up with this crap.

There are no NEW standards. The standards have not changed. The college players used legal bats which are required to meet ASA standards.

Tumble, the issue isn't that they cannot make a composite bat, but they cannot make one that meets today's "standards". I don't have a problem with that. I've never believed this game was about power hitting, but hitting the ball using your brain. You see it in SP all the time where a bunch of young kids with their $350 bats show up to a game against an older bunch with old Steeles, Bombats, TPS and they walk around like a proud rooster who just nailed his 100th hen of the week.

However, these kids cannot figure out what happened to their top of the line equipment (had to be the equipment ) after the old men take a DH from them.

[Sam]

REPORTED injuries may be down....solely because of the lack of knowledge on how to report an injury....or that 95% of them don't result in a trip to the hospital. It doesn't mean pitchers aren't getting pummeled....I saw another one last week....I've seen 6 pitchers hit with batted balls in an elite HS league in a total of 20 games. Three of them had to leave the game.

If Sam says he has seen 6 pitchers struck by batted balls, then it happened. No doubt in my mind.

I'm not sure that is sufficient data to influence the argument, but it is good data if he saw it.

I think moving the rubber to 43 in HS will be a good thing.

I think throwing inside once in a while so hitters can pull the ball is a good thing too, but then I am a hitting coach.


Sam, I DO happen to think injuries are down, though. I have no empirical evidence. But the Bollinger insurance rates don't reflect a recent rash of injuries, and I think they would if the injuries were occuring.

Regards,

Scott

Hi Scott,

Bollinger's rates likely don't change due to the fact that they routinely deny claims. I had a kid that tore her ACL during a game....needed surgery.....Bollinger would approve the claim only if you went to one of their approved surgeons....who would likely be performing their 1st ever surgery on your body. Bottom line: If you have other insurance and can get a real surgeon to repair your injury, Bollinger doesn't pay.

Contrary to Tumblebug's claim of my lying, I have seen 6 pitchers hit by comebackers in this HS season alone. I don't see the instance of injuries going down.

[absdad]

Bollinger's rates likely don't change due to the fact that they routinely deny claims. I had a kid that tore her ACL during a game....needed surgery.....Bollinger would approve the claim only if you went to one of their approved surgeons....who would likely be performing their 1st ever surgery on your body. Bottom line: If you have other insurance and can get a real surgeon to repair your injury, Bollinger doesn't pay.

Contrary to Tumblebug's claim of my lying, I have seen 6 pitchers hit by comebackers in this HS season alone. I don't see the instance of injuries going down.

How are you able to post any of that, and keep a straight face? Do you have anything to back those statements up? Or is it just "your word" ???

[Sam]

Bollinger's rates likely don't change due to the fact that they routinely deny claims. I had a kid that tore her ACL during a game....needed surgery.....Bollinger would approve the claim only if you went to one of their approved surgeons....who would likely be performing their 1st ever surgery on your body. Bottom line: If you have other insurance and can get a real surgeon to repair your injury, Bollinger doesn't pay.

Contrary to Tumblebug's claim of my lying, I have seen 6 pitchers hit by comebackers in this HS season alone. I don't see the instance of injuries going down.

How are you able to post any of that, and keep a straight face? Do you have anything to back those statements up? Or is it just "your word" ???

Been around the game for over 20 years and I know exactly 0 people who have ever received a dime from Bollinger. Maybe you know more. Bollinger is no different than any insurance company.

[absdad]

Been around the game for over 20 years and I know exactly 0 people who have ever received a dime from Bollinger. Maybe you know more. Bollinger is no different than any insurance company.

I've been around it half as long as you, and know people who have. So does my "fact" cancel out yours? I certainly don't think I know more. The point I was trying to make (and maybe not very well), is that you're making claims, stating them as fact, with nothing to corroborate. Several people have made comment of it. I'm not "doubting" your personal experience. But you throw your own personal experiences out as being the fact of the land.

Your 6 hit fielders example... in this day and age of texting, twitter, sensationalistic journalism, litigious greed, you honestly think that there is anyone left in this country who can't get information out to the masses? To me it sorta seems like you've got a chip on your shoulder, and an axe to grind. But hey, internet posts lack inflection, so maybe you're just a smartbutt with a dry sense of humor, or something other? It's just hard to tell.

[Sam]

I'm just trying to look out for the safety of pitchers. You can call that a chip on my shoulder if you'd like. I don't want to see any of these young ladies hurt when we can easily avoid it....but the "hitters'" parents won't hear of any changes to dumb down the bats or the balls because it will force them to realize that their DD's actually don't hit very well.

[Sam]

Been around the game for over 20 years and I know exactly 0 people who have ever received a dime from Bollinger. Maybe you know more. Bollinger is no different than any insurance company.

I've been around it half as long as you, and know people who have. So does my "fact" cancel out yours? I certainly don't think I know more. The point I was trying to make (and maybe not very well), is that you're making claims, stating them as fact, with nothing to corroborate. Several people have made comment of it. I'm not "doubting" your personal experience. But you throw your own personal experiences out as being the fact of the land.

Your 6 hit fielders example... in this day and age of texting, twitter, sensationalistic journalism, litigious greed, you honestly think that there is anyone left in this country who can't get information out to the masses? To me it sorta seems like you've got a chip on your shoulder, and an axe to grind. But hey, internet posts lack inflection, so maybe you're just a smartbutt with a dry sense of humor, or something other? It's just hard to tell.

Curious. How much did Bollinger pay on the claim you reference? What was the injury?

It's $18 policy for a year.

[absdad]

I'm just trying to look out for the safety of pitchers. You can call that a chip on my shoulder if you'd like. I don't want to see any of these young ladies hurt when we can easily avoid it....but the "hitters'" parents won't hear of any changes to dumb down the bats or the balls because it will force them to realize that their DD's actually don't hit very well.

Nothing wrong with your motive, I don't think anyone could argue with that. Player safety is very important. But you're a little misdirected if you ask me. You're blaming the hitters, and the bat manufacturers. As far as I know, the orgs came up with the bat standards on their own, is that correct? There would have to be evidence, factual mind you, backed up with legitimate numbers, not just a couple of isolated headlines in a small town newspaper, to show some kind of an upward trend to be a catalyst for reevaluating the current standards. The bat manufacturers make bats that people want, within the restrictions imposed on them. The consumers buy what they want to. And back on topic... if the bats are modified by some POS parent, then punish the kid, ban them, whatever. But that isn't the pitcher's fault, the bat manufacturer, or the ASA, or the PU.