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HBP 3rd strike revisited

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by PDad » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:18 pm

Spazsdad wrote:Dead ball anytime the ball hits the batter

Just double-checking since we've seen instances over the years where it wasn't called.
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by SnocatzDad » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:41 pm

PDad wrote:
Spazsdad wrote:Dead ball anytime the ball hits the batter

Just double-checking since we've seen instances over the years where it wasn't called.


If it didn't get called it might be the umpire not understand the rule, or they may have thought the ball was hit (poorly). Inside pitch , moving ball, swinging hands, probably easier to hear the difference than see the difference and umpire may have obstructed view at the point of contact.
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by ANGELS_FAN » Sat May 08, 2010 8:15 pm

Why would A umpire call a slap hitting batter out if the pitch was high & in on the hands ? Count was 2-2 slapper was in motion but still in the batters box at the time she was hit, umpire called dead ball & batter is out. I dont get it. :roll: :(
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by Dropn N » Sat May 08, 2010 9:54 pm

PDad wrote:
Bretman wrote:Perhaps the games oldest and most often repeated RULE MYTH has popped up here twice in the past week- and the season hasn't even started yet (for most of us)!

The hands are part of the batter- or the batter's "person"- and a pitch striking the hands is treated exactly the same as one striking an arm, a leg or a noggin. So the next time somebody tries to pass off the old saw that "the hands are part of the bat"...you'll know better than that!

What is the correct call if the batter swings and the ball goes off the hands into fair territory? Is it a dead ball strike or a batted ball?


But arent the hands part of the bat? I'm :?
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by MTR » Sun May 09, 2010 11:12 am

PDad wrote:
Bretman wrote:Perhaps the games oldest and most often repeated RULE MYTH has popped up here twice in the past week- and the season hasn't even started yet (for most of us)!

The hands are part of the batter- or the batter's "person"- and a pitch striking the hands is treated exactly the same as one striking an arm, a leg or a noggin. So the next time somebody tries to pass off the old saw that "the hands are part of the bat"...you'll know better than that!

What is the correct call if the batter swings and the ball goes off the hands into fair territory? Is it a dead ball strike or a batted ball?


How can it be a batted ball if the ball never touched the bat?
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by MTR » Sun May 09, 2010 11:13 am

ANGELS_FAN wrote:Why would A umpire call a slap hitting batter out if the pitch was high & in on the hands ? Count was 2-2 slapper was in motion but still in the batters box at the time she was hit, umpire called dead ball & batter is out. I dont get it. :roll: :(


You are correct.
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by twinsmom » Sun May 09, 2010 9:23 pm

Last year USFA Nationals one of our batters swung at and hit with her forearm a pitched ball. Ball went into play and she continued to first and runner scored. Play was halted after that due to injury of the batter - she fractured her arm when the ball hit...

Should this have been a dead ball? We never questioned HBP as she clearly swung and hit the ball (tight inside pitch) with her arm, but the run scored and we were allowed to sub for her at base while she was hauled to hospital. What would have been the correct ruling?
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by SnocatzDad » Mon May 10, 2010 10:41 am

twinsmom wrote:Last year USFA Nationals one of our batters swung at and hit with her forearm a pitched ball. Ball went into play and she continued to first and runner scored. Play was halted after that due to injury of the batter - she fractured her arm when the ball hit...

Should this have been a dead ball? We never questioned HBP as she clearly swung and hit the ball (tight inside pitch) with her arm, but the run scored and we were allowed to sub for her at base while she was hauled to hospital. What would have been the correct ruling?


Correct ruling should have been dead ball - strike, if it was strike three she would have been out, if not, you would have been allowed to substitute for her and assume her count. You are not allowed to put a ball into play with any part of your body, only the bat. You can not hit a ball into play fair with your hands or, arms, any more so than you can legally head butt a ball into play.
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