CULater wrote:fastpitchdad05 wrote:wichita wrote:jmo wrote:2011 HS Division
37 out of 67 from out of state
2011 16U Division
26 out of 64 from out of state.
2011 14U Division
15 out of 42 from out of state.
Not sure where you get 90%.
Ok that was just an estimate off the top of my head so I'll give you that but still according to your figures above we still have a total of 95 teams from cali and the rest of the "nation" has 77 teams now I'm not a genius or anything but how is this considered a national?
Is 95 out of 173 teams (55%) really an acceptable percentage for a national you ask...
Well it was good enough for ASA when they were starting their 18 Gold natls and then some:
1996 - 24 of 36 teams from CA (67%)
https://www.asasoftball.com/tournaments ... p?tid=1064
Why would you bring up a stat from 1996 when ASA Gold first began to back your point? I thought PGF was created because ASA was not listening to its constituants.
I found this on another thread.
ASA
2007 - 33% from California
2008 - 28%
2009 - 25%
2010 - 25%
2011 - 25%
PGF
2010 - 49% from California
2011 - 40%
A conspiracy theorist could argue that PGF was really started because ASA was reducing the number of California teams at the Gold national tournament. I am not in that boat, but the numbers are kind of intersting.
CULater,
The biggest gripe that I've seen so far about PGF (and what this particular discussion was about) is that it is CA dominated, with a close second going to to PGF handing out auto invites. My point was that ASA and PGF in their infancy were silmilar in regards to the number of CA teams attending, although they got there thru different methods.
I agree that a conspiracy theory could be started regarding the shrinking number of CA teams. Actually, I'm not so sure it is a conspiracy. I'd have to look back at the original Gary Haning PGF thread on HB, but I do believe he says that one of the reasons for breaking away and forming PGF was to try and ensure that as many as possible of the very best/elite teams made it to their national championship, regardless from which region that team hailed.
If you think about it, this probably is what really upsets many teams about PGF. Knowing that their sub-par or average team has a very small chance (much smaller than the ASA format) of making the PGF finals vs what they were used to with only needing to compete against teams from their region to get there.
By the way, I've stated it many times...my DD's team falls in the probably-not-good-enough category. But I have supported PGF knowing this.
The worst part of PGF, if it is a complete success and establishes itself as THE true national championship, is that it supports a "rich get richer" model. I believe the division between the upper level orgs and the middle to lower tier orgs will become greater because kids in each region will migrate to the better teams more than ever before, feeling (or more accurately their parents feeling) that this is the only way to get to PGF.
You'll likely see the left-out orgs either disappear or combine. We'll see...