state of your HS fields

[Iluvblue]

Im running a little survey as to the disparities between the boys baseball fields and girls fastpitch fields at schools in the valley.

I am looking to find out if your fields have no:
Scoreboards
Batting cage
Dugouts (enclosed)
Outfield fences

But the boys baseball fields at your school does in fact have these things.

Do the girls have to share their field with Soccer or some other sport, while the boys fields are enclosed and locked up as soon as baseball practice is over.

You can mail me the info at: Coreyreid@sbcglobal.net

Please include the name of the school and city.

[mr.flamboyant]

Not to mention transportation to away games in High School (boys vs girls)

[Iluvblue]

cmon people..... give me some info.

I was shocked last week when I was at Pitman HS inTurlock (fairly new school) and the girls play on a field with no fence and the boys field looked like a minor league park. sweet cage, sweet portable backstop.

Modesto city fields for girls is a joke, and compared to boys.... well there is no comparison.

I am guessing Stockton is the same. How bout Stagg? Edison? Franklin? I need some help people. if you want to see your daughters get the equal treatment they deserve, I need some help.

[6to4to3]

Softball people - you need to look at this link.

http://www.justplaynow.org/

[6to4to3]

if you have a complaint

http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/faqs.html

[Iluvblue]

Spazsdad,

You need to get an edumacation when it comes to this issue.

The things you just stated may very well be true, but guess what????? Judge Learned Hand has already stated he doesnt give a crap.

So when you say give it a rest, you know not what you speak of.

Lets say Johnny's baseball dad comes in with all his old baseball buddies and donated 50k to the baseball team to buy a new scoreboard and put in some dugouts. And poor Suzie softball has no such donor. The school better be prepared to match Johnny Baseball's donation, because once the money is in the school system, it is for ALL ATHLETES, not just that baseball team.

It just takes some strong willed parents to go to bat for their daughters...... trust me, I am strong willed and will go to bat for YOUR daughter since so many dont seem willing to do so.

[Iluvblue]

Would you be happy if they took away the boys "better" facilities to make things equal because they aren't going to build the equivalent for the girls?




I already said you need to get an edumacation on this issue, because once again you are speaking and saying things that CANT happen. Schools have tried to tear down the boys stuff and Judge Learned Hand has stepped in and slaspped them silly. They can not bring the boys down to the sorry state of the girls facilities, they must bring the girls UP.

This is not my opinion, this is case law. You are sounding like an administrator I have had this discussion with, then when I sent him all the cases showing how his arguments were going to not stand up, I think he was a little surprised.

Throw out some more weak stuff, and i can probably point to more cases where the Judge has said no , no, no.

And trust me, the girls are WINNING, not just the Lawyers. And if the schools would do what they are legally required to do, they wouldnt have to worry about lawyers.

[Coach11]

I gotta say....I'm with Spazsdad on this one.

When your daughter is big into sports, it sucks to recognize that the $ isn't there to provide for better field conditions. But unless the interest is as high from the girls, as it is from the boys...things aren't likely to change. And I'm not sure they should.

In my town, there are 2 1/2 times as many boys competing in baseball, as there are girls in softball. It only makes sense, that the boys fields would take priority.

Title IX is good in many ways....but at the same time, it can lead to throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Schools are constantly trying to find ways to fund what already exists. Many schools are being forced to cut many sports programs already. Someone comes along and drops a million dollars on the boys baseball program and you think the schools should have to match that?

[Iluvblue]

Holy crap.

Am I speaking Chinese here? It doesnt matter what you THINK, or what I THINK.

So read below.


Courts have ruled in many cases throughout the United States, that outside sources of funding have no bearing on Title IX. The following is taken from an article:
A school cannot evade its responsibility to treat its male and female athletes equally by pointing to outside sources as the cause of unequal treatment. As one court has explained, “Once a (school) receives a monetary donation, the funds become public money, subject to Title IX’s legal obligations in their disbursement.” Chalenor v. Univ. of North Dakota, 291 F.3d 1042, 1048. Though they may accept such gifts, schools bear the ultimate responsibility of ensuring that boys’ and girls’ teams are treated equally.




"At CPHS, maintenance of the softball facility was particularly problematic because of the lack of perimeter fencing, the use of the field by physical education classes for kickball, softball and soccer, and use by the girls' field hockey and soccer programs," Lorenz wrote. "In contrast, the boys' baseball field was not used for physical education classes or for any other uses."

My comments:
This case IMO, shows that, while your concerns are valid, according to title IX, they have no bearing. The fact that the girls must play on substandard fields, due to the fact your district would have issues with boys soccer fields has no bearing on being in compliance with title IX. The fact that your baseball fields are fenced in and offer baseball only use, while the girls must share their fields, which also requires them to have no fencing, is a direct violation of title IX according to the above referenced case. Essentially, the girls softball programs are being asked to use substandard facilities to maintain the field use for other programs, while the boys must face no such burden.



The courts do not care that money came from booster clubs, or was raised by a baseball coach. If you do any research on this at all, you will see that the fact your schools baseball teams were given money from boosters to install a scoreboard does not abdicate the districts responsibility to do the same for the girls.



So you can side with whomever you want, the courts have already spoken on these issues, and schools have lost. Trust me, they arent canceling programs, but if you think the girls should suck it up on piece of shit fields while the boys play on minor league facilities(because that is the way it has always been)... Im sorry, but you can suck wind:)

[6to4to3]

A couple of the comments on here are the exact reason Title 9 exists. Sexism running rampant on a girls’ softball forum board? Say it a’int so Joe, say it a’int so.

If you also want to read the laws on donations to sports programs “boosters” to a Federally funded school (which all but private schools are) then you would know that if Boy’s family shows up with $100k and says it’s for the baseball team it doesn’t matter all $100k goes into the booster pot of money and is spread out amongst all the teams; Boys and Girls.

It isn’t a matter of preference or opinion fellas. It’s the friggen LAW. The law! If your school district isn’t providing EQUAL opportunities and facilities for every single boy and girl in their school, they are IN FACT breaking the law. Period, dot, end of story. So you’re going to try and sit there and say the districts don’t have money…are you high? There is always money. It’s just a matter of where they hide it and spend it at the end of the year. And besides, the law doesn’t care where you get the money to make the changes that are required by law.

OH…and if they try to remove a boy’s program to pay for the girls legally required equal program they will be fined and people will be fired. Retaliatory actions are forbidden by law and are very closely monitored by the US Dept. of Education – Office of Civil Rights.

Brothers of the bucket and fellow Dads of beautiful daughters – do some reading!!! Hit those links that I posted earlier in this thread. When you are educated on the matter of Title 9 you will be pissed when you see what is happening to our girls! And I mean pissed!@!! Are the boys somehow more important than our daughters in the world of sports? Because that is what you are saying if you disagree with Title 9 and equality. The world will be a better place when our young women are afforded equal rights, we will ALL reap the benefits now and for generations to come. It’s already happening, Title 9 was written into law as a portion of the Education Amendments of 1972!

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance...
—United States Code Section 20