12U Preseason Fan Rankings

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Just because 1st to 3rd is laying some truth does not mean they are talking smack about kids. Its a pretty right-on analysis in my book. I would remove Heat LaGabed from the top 10, and the '00 team, but for the most part a lot of this is right on the money.

AdmittedBias is dead on, it is talking a bunch of crap about some kids who are doing nothing more than trying their best to compete and make their parents proud.
Although it makes for good reading, the chest puffing and crap talking is pretty pathetic.

You know how you always hear from the "old timers" about how "I miss the 10's and 12's", and "you will look back on this the same way someday"?
Well, this post is a perfect example.

Save this thread, and in 5 years, if you haven't driven your kid from the game, read it.
I'm betting you will shudder at what you felt was normal parental behavior.

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1st to 3rd you sound like a real DOUCHE talking crap to Rjones I have never seen him standing behind the backstop puffing his chest out thinking he's important in 18 years so I'm surprised how you've seen that. He wasn't putting anyone down but clearly by your comments you are throwing low blows at our team and my daughter.
If you are who I think you are the win loss ratio is the same and to clarify things our daughter too was asked to play for both TC and Extreme however we knew then and know now Garcia is the best coach period. As for your assessment about Extreme having only two "studs" catcher and shortstop I would say you're wrong. I bet if you talk to the 2nd and 3rd baseman's parents they would agree. How you took my husbands comments and turned them into a personal attack shows the lack of confidence you must have as a man. On our team we are just that a team. Parents,players,coaches and even the little siblings all get along and cheer each other on. We don't talk about who is #1 or a "stud" we all show up to see what happens. We all like seeing other teams get better and give our girls a real game. I'm so glad next weekend I will be able to enjoy the games next to the big guy and the parents from Reno. Thank god or should I say Garcia we don't have parents like you. Oh and my friend from the crab feed you are right

I am a parent of one of the catchers on Mizuno-Garcia. The friendlies last weekend were just that, they were friendlies. Both R&R parents and Mizuno parents seemed to have a good time watching two good teams play softball. It was fun to watch. Both teams are well coached and have good players and just good kids on there team. You couldn't ask for better parents on both sides. After the game R&R parents made sure to tell Mizuno parents what a good time it is to play eachother and Mizuno parents did the same. Oh ya 1ST to 3RD my daughter can do all the things you mentioned that a catcher should do. You should come watch a game and talk to me about what you see. I'll be the big guy with the Mizuno hat on. I'll probally be standing next to the other catchers dad.

"Big Guy" - I've seen plenty of Mizuno Garcia games and the best catcher you had now plays for extreme! Period. As a matter of fact my oldest has competed against Mizuno - Garcia, Breeze 99' and Nevada Lightning 99' (pretty sure thats were all your catchers played in the past) since 10U and has a winning record against all of them so maybe you can figure out who I am and come talk to me bud. I dont have time to stand around behind the backstop with my chest puffed out and arms crossed making myself look more important than I am!

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Ridiculous! Talking crap about little bleeping kids....and chest puffing...unbelievable.

"Talking crap about little bleeping kids"?! Please show me where I have done this. I would never talk crap on a little girl! Simply stated whated I perceieve to be the facts. Right, wrong or indifferent they are my opinion I am more than entitled to them. Sorry to excite you so easily!

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Just because 1st to 3rd is laying some truth does not mean they are talking smack about kids. Its a pretty right-on analysis in my book. I would remove Heat LaGabed from the top 10, and the '00 team, but for the most part a lot of this is right on the money.

Well, I don't have any kids involved in this discussion, but the way I read his post referring to a catcher with an arm and his insinuation that was all they had, I don't see how that can be taken in any way other than talking crap.

This is what I said: "Catchers: Agreed, RR's #1 catcher is great, Mizuno catchers are good but not stellar! A great arm is a small part of the catching equation! Can they frame? Block? Throw of blocks? Read batters tendancies? Are they vocal/leaders when on the field? Oh yeah and can they hit? I'm being a bit sarcastic but seriously its pretty obvious your a Mizuno catchers parent! No offense, its all good."

Im sorry you perceive that as talking crap! I simply asked an open ended question. Lets not forget I ranked the team were talking about #2 in NorCal! If the catchers are that good then they will shine! I wouldnt expect anything less! They are on a good team, that is well coached and has supportive families behind them!

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1st to 3rd: Believe me when I say, I seriously doubt your ability to excite me. In fact, I am repulsed by people like you.

Re-read what you said one more time... Can they frame, block, etc... If you are such a student of the game and you have seen these girls play, you should know that they can. 100% of the time? No! But no one does - no one, so please, don't try to change the tone of your post to make you sound like the good guy!

BTW - I am clearly not the only person who read what you wrote and saw some ugly in it...maybe it isn't me, maybe it is you.

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Just because 1st to 3rd is laying some truth does not mean they are talking smack about kids. Its a pretty right-on analysis in my book. I would remove Heat LaGabed from the top 10, and the '00 team, but for the most part a lot of this is right on the money.

AdmittedBias is dead on, it is talking a bunch of crap about some kids who are doing nothing more than trying their best to compete and make their parents proud.
Although it makes for good reading, the chest puffing and crap talking is pretty pathetic.

You know how you always hear from the "old timers" about how "I miss the 10's and 12's", and "you will look back on this the same way someday"?
Well, this post is a perfect example.

Save this thread, and in 5 years, if you haven't driven your kid from the game, read it.
I'm betting you will shudder at what you felt was normal parental behavior.

Art - Your normally fairly intelligent but I think you jumped into this one half cocked and without enough knowledge of the NorCal softball scene or who I am to make the accusation that I am talking a bunch of crap on kids. I would never do that! I am simply providing a non daddy-ball/unbiased evaluation of NorCal's 12U division and stating what I perceive to be facts. This board was dead and I have accomplished my goal. Rank teams and get the board talking. My daughter is actually friends/acquintances with girls from Garcia, Extreme, Breeze, RR Gold, Grapes, KG Hitters, ect.... and I truely beleive that all these girls are great ball players with bright futures but I'm not going to sugarcoat/daddy goggle my assesments! If you noticed at the bottom my original post I said "Have fun with this" Looks like I am having the most fun! And trust me bud I will not drive my kid from the game as I do not force softball, basketball, volleyball or choir on my kid I just provide her all the opportunities I would want as a kid and let her enjoy them!

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1st to 3rd you sound like a real DOUCHE talking crap to Rjones I have never seen him standing behind the backstop puffing his chest out thinking he's important in 18 years so I'm surprised how you've seen that. He wasn't putting anyone down but clearly by your comments you are throwing low blows at our team and my daughter.

Sorry you took it that way. It was not intended for you to be so defensive!

If you are who I think you are (I'm not) the win loss ratio is the same and to clarify things our daughter too was asked to play for both TC and Extreme however we knew then and know now Garcia is the best coach period. You are hilarious. You didnt join because you thought your daughter was to good and that the extreme roster didnt compare to Garcias. You are known to all as "pyscho mom" who thinks her kid is better than everyone elses As for your assessment about Extreme having only two "studs" catcher and shortstop I would say you're wrong. I bet if you talk to the 2nd and 3rd baseman's parents they would agree. I know the second and third basemens parents well and talk to them often and agree that thier kids are talented how you took my husbands comments and turned them into a personal attack (please show me the personel attack) shows the lack of confidence you must have as a man (LMAO). On our team we are just that a team. Parents,players,coaches and even the little siblings all get along and cheer each other on. We don't talk about who is #1 or a "stud" we all show up to see what happens. (Your so full of S#%!)We all like seeing other teams get better and give our girls a real game. I'm so glad next weekend I will be able to enjoy the games next to the big guy and the parents from Reno. Thank god or should I say Garcia we don't have parents like you. (You would take me and my kid on your team anyday of the week, you just dont know who I am) Oh and my friend from the crab feed you are right

I am a parent of one of the catchers on Mizuno-Garcia. The friendlies last weekend were just that, they were friendlies. Both R&R parents and Mizuno parents seemed to have a good time watching two good teams play softball. It was fun to watch. Both teams are well coached and have good players and just good kids on there team. You couldn't ask for better parents on both sides. After the game R&R parents made sure to tell Mizuno parents what a good time it is to play eachother and Mizuno parents did the same. Oh ya 1ST to 3RD my daughter can do all the things you mentioned that a catcher should do. You should come watch a game and talk to me about what you see. I'll be the big guy with the Mizuno hat on. I'll probally be standing next to the other catchers dad.

"Big Guy" - I've seen plenty of Mizuno Garcia games and the best catcher you had now plays for extreme! Period. As a matter of fact my oldest has competed against Mizuno - Garcia, Breeze 99' and Nevada Lightning 99' (pretty sure thats were all your catchers played in the past) since 10U and has a winning record against all of them so maybe you can figure out who I am and come talk to me bud. I dont have time to stand around behind the backstop with my chest puffed out and arms crossed making myself look more important than I am!

w

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Really at the end of the day Stone or Garcia will have to move on from All American. We all know that at U14 you have to be with a better organization. The only organization that really makes any waves and help girls get into good schools around here is the Lady Magic. Heat ,Breeze and RR anyone else may get a few girls signed but thats Magics goal.Everyone else just wants to say they made it to nationals to get more players and teams. That's why you'll see organizations have 3\4 teams in one age group. Magic sticks to 1 team per age. By the way did anyone catch the Heat and Extreme game? From what I hear Extreme only won by one run. I could be wrong but that's what I was told. For a team so strong in the fall looks like without the two ladies they may struggle. As far as Stone being better in the spring or fall?Stone had never caught may radar until this fall. I always assumed the girls that didn't make Garcia went there. However after talking to a few parents I have learned different. So if the Extreme parents aren't happy onlooker thinks Stone needs a few studs to replace the few he had in the spring. I dont think Stone ever had any studs then or now. I do think this past fall you could see a team really working hard. Either way my hats off to the Heat so much improvement . Now let's see how all these teams play when they see RR and Garcia.

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Really at the end of the day Stone or Garcia will have to move on from All American. We all know that at U14 you have to be with a better organization. The only organization that really makes any waves and help girls get into good schools around here is the Lady Magic. Heat ,Breeze and RR anyone else may get a few girls signed but thats Magics goal.Everyone else just wants to say they made it to nationals to get more players and teams. That's why you'll see organizations have 3\4 teams in one age group. Magic sticks to 1 team per age. By the way did anyone catch the Heat and Extreme game? From what I hear Extreme only won by one run. I could be wrong but that's what I was told. For a team so strong in the fall looks like without the two ladies they may struggle. As far as Stone being better in the spring or fall?Stone had never caught may radar until this fall. I always assumed the girls that didn't make Garcia went there. However after talking to a few parents I have learned different. So if the Extreme parents aren't happy onlooker thinks Stone needs a few studs to replace the few he had in the spring. I dont think Stone ever had any studs then or now. I do think this past fall you could see a team really working hard. Either way my hats off to the Heat so much improvement . Now let's see how all these teams play when they see RR and Garcia.

This ones great! Talking to yourself and self promotion!