12u 00/01 Winter Watchlist by Louie UPDATED

[ICMTM]

different people do different things for different reasons. Some think winning or competing in Nationals is the goal. Others think development is the goal. I don't think either is wrong unless you're trying to develop kids that are ready to compete at a national level OR trying to win with kids who need further development.

Ultimately your roster should tell you which group you should be in.

[Iluvblue]

If you are playing on a competitive team and shelling out big bucks, you better be trying to compete at nationals.... period. (JMO and from where I sit as a parent and coach)

JMO... but we go south and see 18u teams that get CRUSHED in every game they play for a weekend..... and obviously those teams have ZERO chance at competing, but people still do it.


And you notice how I said I cant do projects at 16u age? That is because our ultimate goal is to fill our 18u team from our 16u team, and it aint about development at that age as much as about trying to win.

[ICMTM]

I was speaking to the general population. At 12u you really shouldn't be shelling out "BIG" bucks unless you already know you're going to hit the road and do well.

[Iluvblue]

If someone leaves during a season then they're out until next August. You can always let a defector try out again but you can't bring the family back mid-season. In 12u though, some would say the team needs to be included in the decision to bring someone back. I don't know if that happened here.


I personally wouldnt let someone leave in season and EVER come back. That being said, the day a coach asks parents about such a decision os the day he loses all control of his team, no matter the age.


You ask parents something like .... would you all like to go to vegas for a weekend tourney as a fun weekend?

You dont ask then, hey what do you think about adding such and such to the roster.

[Sftball Junkie]

If someone leaves during a season then they're out until next August. You can always let a defector try out again but you can't bring the family back mid-season. In 12u though, some would say the team needs to be included in the decision to bring someone back. I don't know if that happened here.


I personally wouldnt let someone leave in season and EVER come back. That being said, the day a coach asks parents about such a decision os the day he loses all control of his team, no matter the age.

They are out till next August WHAT??? Are you kidding me, they are out for life. Why would you ever want them back they quit on you!!!! Couldn't agree more with Blue on this. I think it should go one step farther, parents who team hop during the season should be black listed by coaches. They are normally low life trash who cause more problems then they are worth anyhow. A parent who teaches their kids that it is ok to quit on a team should never be allowed back.

To ask the parents if it is ok is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Does your coach ask the parents when it is ok to sub a player or if it's ok if little Sally bats in the 2 hole today.

[noncrazynorcal]

My way or the highway with a one-way door works for some, but not for all. A coach has to coach the way they know how. That doesn't mean a team is going to reach all its goals.

Some coaches want to win every single game their team plays. Some coaches don't care about winning every single game but want to win tournaments. Other coaches only want to win big tournaments. Other coaches mainly care about how their teams do in qualifiers and national events.

I'm not going to point out any specific examples but ask yourself if you ever heard of a #3 or #4 pitcher leaving a team during a season to go be a #1 somewhere else and then coming back to the team they left later on. You may have even heard of this happening in the same season, with the player leaving and then being asked to come go to nationals with the team when the team they went to didn't qualify.

Did Conrad Cota rule his 12u team with an iron fist?

[Kool-Aid]

Im starting to feel ill

[Fly Out]

My way or the highway with a one-way door works for some, but not for all. A coach has to coach the way they know how. That doesn't mean a team is going to reach all its goals.

Did Conrad Cota rule his 12u team with an iron fist?

I don't think the one way door has anything to do with a player who leaves mid season. Whether you are the #1 or #3 pitcher Catcher or Right fielder shouldn't have anything to do with allowing a player back. If you join a team in fall you commit to playing there from August to November. If you join a team for spring you commit to playing there from December to August. If you leave that team before the end of your commitment you have quit on that team. If you were a #1 pitcher, catcher, whatever who lost that spot during the season someone out worked you. Work harder and get it back. If you are #3 pitcher, catcher, whatever, work harder and earn that spot ahead of you, prove yourself and take the next spot above you. Quitting a team to become a starter somewhere else still means your a quitter. How about teaching your kid to work hard to achieve their goals. This is in no way a one way door approach. If a kid leaves at tryouts that one thing, if they leave mid season the should be cut off from ever returning.

The most I would do for that kid who quit on her team mid season then didn't qualify for Nationals would be to send her a post card from Nationals saying, we are having a great time you could have been here...

Don't get the Heat situation mixed up here. Heat had at least 4 maybe 6 players on that team who had quit on a team mid season to come play for him. I would hope there was little surprise when they turned around and quit on him for what they thought was the next best thing. That was how he got them there to start. That would be like dating someone who was screwing around on her partner just to have them do it to you down the road. Are you honestly that surprised???

Only on Honey Bucket would they be allowed to come back..

[ICMTM]

@Softball Junkie I think what ILB means is that if you walk from the team he's not releasing you from the roster, so you will sit until the season's over. Then you can find another team. Correct me if I'm wrong?

[noncrazynorcal]

@Softball Junkie I think what ILB means is that if you walk from the team he's not releasing you from the roster, so you will sit until the season's over. Then you can find another team. Correct me if I'm wrong?

That doesn't work. If the coach of a team going to ASA nats won't release a player from their roster then the player just goes to a team that's going to PGF or TCS.