Fresno Force vs TCS Aprils Finest

[ICMTM]

My point exactly NorCal TD's. The folks down south get their hustle on. We sit around and say "it is what it is..."

[Iluvblue]

well I guess I dont go to the right socal tourneys, because I see plenty of teams playing at sorry ass elementary schools with no fences and half the teams you play suck.

Things have changed for the better in Stockton for sure. And if you think because the Alisters are at a tourney that they are going to walk around and watch every team, you are nuts.


And even if they did, how many kids you think are gonna stick out in that 1-2 innings they are there.

Please explain what the socal guys are doing (specifically) that us in Norcal should be staning up and applauding? and more importantly, force everyone of our parents to spend 500 bucks to travel down there?

Maybe Im not paying close enough attention.

[Fly Out]

We just played in the 12u Brenda Marsh over Thanksgiving. The tournament was a lot of fun because of the competition. At the same time that could have just been because we played teams we new nothing about and saw teams we never have. It changes the way you look at each game when you don't know anything about the team you are playing.

As for fields I would agree with Blue, though the complex looked pretty nice, the freeway noise was enough to drive you nuts, the outfield on a few of the fields was basically dirt because of the over use from soccer and 3 of the fields had no fence. With the combination of dirt outfields and no fence a hard hit ground ball in the gap would roll 700 ft before stopping.

Goes back to what people say here this TD or that TD does the best tourneys. What do they do so well??? The teams who show up tend to make the difference on if it was a good tournament or not. I have always liked Fresno Force and hope the teams from So Cal will continue to meet us half way. It's nice having a split field of Nor Cal and So Cal and I am sure you will only get a few from Nor Cal driving to Hemet.

[ICMTM]

You're missing the issue entirely!

You have NumeroUno who is actively trying to invite NorCal teams to the event whereas the Force will put on the EXACT same tourney they have ALWAYS put on. It only takes one of the top teams to float that way then people follow. One team followed and changed org name all together last year. The point wasn't ever "who puts on the better tournament." The point (mine anyway) was there are people who are basically recruiting for participation and probably will get it.

It hurts the quality of the Force, but again with the MDC happening two weeks after it seems like the NorCal teams who would be up for going down south plan on that event.

[Iluvblue]

I get what you are saying, but because one of the top teams went down south last year, and then others follow MAKES MY POINT. That people are followers. The 14u teams in this area can stay up here, play each other and do just fine. It was only a few short years ago that Sj Sting won ASA14u nationals, and Scorcerer Kiko finished 3rd in the same year. They were not trekking down south all year to play socal teams.... but then again, they had coaches who knew what they were doing and KNEW they didnt need to be down south every week to get better.

Nothing wrong with going a few times a year, but 6 or more for a 14u? Ridiculous. But hey, team X is doing it, so I guess we better do it also:) Enjoy the drive and the cash flow people, we will chose to stay in our backyard for most of the time.

[Iluvblue]

By the way, the FORCE tourney was the absolute best tourney ANYWHERE for young 14u and 12u teams prior to someone in socal running a tourney the same weekend and messing it up. How many years in a row did the 12u national champ come out of that tourney?

There was nothing wrong with teams from south and North meeting in the middle ONCE A YEAR. Now, everyone thinks we should go south all the time and nobody come our way.

No thanks

[triplecrown]

For most in NorCal its probably a good idea to stay home and play, as only a select few will benefit, its pretty cut and dry. For most its best to stay home and play and think your somebody when you win at the local community park, while the select few can trek South and spend a shit load of money and all the SoCal folk laugh as they get in their cars at end of day and go back home to their own beds.

[thecloser02]

By the way, the FORCE tourney was the absolute best tourney ANYWHERE for young 14u and 12u teams prior to someone in socal running a tourney the same weekend and messing it up. How many years in a row did the 12u national champ come out of that tourney?

There was nothing wrong with teams from south and North meeting in the middle ONCE A YEAR. Now, everyone thinks we should go south all the time and nobody come our way.

No thanks

Hey blue the reason is because Nor Cal only puts out a couple good teams a year and So Cal puts out dozens of good teams a year. Why should So Cal folks drive all that way up north to play average teams, no one owes you anything? There are plenty of average teams in So Cal as well so save the gas and we can all get together at a national tourney somewhere.

[noncrazynorcal]

For most in NorCal its probably a good idea to stay home and play, as only a select few will benefit, its pretty cut and dry. For most its best to stay home and play and think your somebody when you win at the local community park, while the select few can trek South and spend a shit load of money and all the SoCal folk laugh as they get in their cars at end of day and go back home to their own beds.

Hey blue the reason is because Nor Cal only puts out a couple good teams a year and So Cal puts out dozens of good teams a year. Why should So Cal folks drive all that way up north to play average teams, no one owes you anything? There are plenty of average teams in So Cal as well so save the gas and we can all get together at a national tourney somewhere.

You didn't build that. We subsidize everything you claim credit for. If you want to stay near home instead of traveling further away, fine, but don't be a bitch about it.

[OCwildcatMom]

Force Classic 2013 12U Teams
January 31, 2013 Team Name
1 AASA RICHARDSON
2 AASA/ VIRCHIS
3 CA Rapids-Sjolie
4 Ca. Crossfire
5 Foothill Gold 00
6 Fresno Force (Rodriguez)
7 Hype Fastpitch
8 KG Hitters - French
9 KG Hitters - Gaito
10 Lady Magic
11 LTG Lions
12 Northwest Lady Sharks
13 OBS Monarchs- 2K
14 OBS Monarchs CAT
15 San Jose Sting
16 Sorcerer 12u
Registered Only
1 All American Mizuno 01 - Ybarra
2 All-American Mizuno
3 Boombah 00
4 CA Breeze 01
5 CA Breeze 12U
6 California Grapettes-Ervin
7 California Grapettes-Kahwaty
Cen Cal Angels/ Miken
Central California Krush
Cepeda Lady Bulls
Clovis Rockets
Clovis Rockets Millar
Corona Angels-12u
Hank's Bombers
Hot Shots
Lady Spartans
MADERA DESTROYERS
No Doubt
Nor-Cal Elite
NorCal Valley Stompers (Renfor)
OC Batbusters-Moore
Pressure Softball
Roseville Heat 01
Salinas Storm Kaiser
San Jose Lady Sharks
SoCal Breakers - Steele
Storm 2000
Strikkers
TABU
Team California
Team MIzuno 01 Stith
USA ATHLETICS
USA Athletics 01 - Reisler
USA ELITE/PFENNIG
WA Acers 2000

TCS / So Cals Finest Aprils finest
12 and Under - Santa Clarita
Paid Teams:
1. Artesia Punishers (Buena Park, CA)
2. California Thunder Michaels (Hacienda Heights, CA)
3. Combat Panthers (Camarillo, CA)
4. Players Edge (Chatsworth, CA)
5. So Cal 3D (santa clarita, CA)
6. The Next Level (Temecula, CA)
Penciled Teams: 22
Artesia Punishers (CA)
Batbusters - Mauga 12u (CA)
Bownet - Team Constantine (CA)
BP Hotshots 2000 (CA)
BUSTOS ELITE 01 - HAMILTON (CA)
Bustos Elite 2000 (CA)
California Thunder Michaels (CA)
Combat Panthers (CA)
Firecrackers 01 - Thornburg (CA)
Firecrackers 12u - Araujo (CA)
KBA 2000 (NV)
Lil Rebels-Black (NV)
Quakes SGV (CA)
RR Gold (CA)
San Diego Aztecs 2000 (CA)
San Diego Mystic 00 -Farfan (CA)
SC Wildcats (CA)
So Cal Choppers (CA)
StormUSA-Herrera (CA)
Team AB 01 (CA)
Team Mizuno-Briggs (CA)
VC Venom Muncy (CA)