12u Season Rankings UPDATED 6/12

[ICMTM]

Team Cali placed 9th in ASA Nationals in 12U, and 13th in PGF Nationals in 12U so they are in the network. I think you just have to win?

[NorCalBaller123]

It's been known that team Cali was getting a berth for a while now. LTG....that's a new one?

[sir88]

Team Cali placed 9th in ASA Nationals in 12U, and 13th in PGF Nationals in 12U so they are in the network. I think you just have to win?

When was this? Which Team Cali did that? Are you refering to Garcias Mizuno team which is now a Team Cali team?

[ICMTM]

Team Cali placed 9th in ASA Nationals in 12U, and 13th in PGF Nationals in 12U so they are in the network. I think you just have to win?

When was this? Which Team Cali did that? Are you refering to Garcias Mizuno team which is now a Team Cali team?

Yes. I'm referring to the kids doing the work not the organization they represented. Garcia's team is very good.

[Sftball Junkie]

I guess Uncle needs to update his rankings and add LTG Lions. I guess going 0-2 and getting crushed by Grapettes-K in a qualifer earns you an invite. So let me get this right,No Grapettes-K, Foothill Gold 00 or Rapids but the Lions get an invite?Hmmm? I wonder how that happend?What a Joke!

Why would you think the other teams did not get an invite? Because they are not on the list doesn't mean they didn't get an invite. I know Hype got an invite and they are not on the list. I know the coach from Foothill Gold said at Metros if they got a berth to Tennessee they would go there even if offered a PGF berth based on how they did at Metros. Rapids coach said he was having issues paying 1700 for an entry fee when he could go to Oregon for Westerns. I know 2 TC parents that as of Monday night were going over flights and hotels for Tennessee so that was a surprise to them. As for Grapes K I have been told for a while that Roy Taylor has 2 extra berths for PGF so I am sure IF THATS TRUE one would go to Grapes K. KG French didn't even try to qualify saif they were going to Oregon from day 1

I would also think many more invites are coming. They only have 28 teams on teams on this list and that is nowhere close to enough for a national level tournament. Last year they invite 4 teams from Sac out side of those who qualified and many more from other areas.

[sir88]

I guess Uncle needs to update his rankings and add LTG Lions. I guess going 0-2 and getting crushed by Grapettes-K in a qualifer earns you an invite. So let me get this right,No Grapettes-K, Foothill Gold 00 or Rapids but the Lions get an invite?Hmmm? I wonder how that happend?What a Joke!

Why would you think the other teams did not get an invite? Because they are not on the list doesn't mean they didn't get an invite. I know Hype got an invite and they are not on the list. I know the coach from Foothill Gold said at Metros if they got a berth to Tennessee they would go there even if offered a PGF berth based on how they did at Metros. Rapids coach said he was having issues paying 1700 for an entry fee when he could go to Oregon for Westerns. I know 2 TC parents that as of Monday night were going over flights and hotels for Tennessee so that was a surprise to them. As for Grapes K I have been told for a while that Roy Taylor has 2 extra berths for PGF so I am sure IF THATS TRUE one would go to Grapes K. KG French didn't even try to qualify saif they were going to Oregon from day 1

I would also think many more invites are coming. They only have 28 teams on teams on this list and that is nowhere close to enough for a national level tournament. Last year they invite 4 teams from Sac out side of those who qualified and many more from other areas.

I wouldn't disagree with much of what you have said. But my question is if PGF is supposed to be a big deal than why not have a strong tournament with 35 teams or so. Why not just open it up like Triple Crown? If you want to play just sign up and play. Why have qualifiers if a team that couldn't win a game can get in because of who a coach is on their team? I also know some coaches and parents from other teams and know a lot of the teams made plans and stuck to it. All I'm saying is don't try to dale something as something its not. We are all used to seeing a kid get more playing time because there dad is a coach. Well this team got in on the same premise. Whatever happen to earning what you have ir get?

[sir88]

Team Cali placed 9th in ASA Nationals in 12U, and 13th in PGF Nationals in 12U so they are in the network. I think you just have to win?

When was this? Which Team Cali did that? Are you refering to Garcias Mizuno team which is now a Team Cali team?

Yes. I'm referring to the kids doing the work not the organization they represented. Garcia's team is very good.

Wasn't taking a shot at the team. Was just asking. That is a strong team and sure that has helped the org as well.if you thought I was saying anything bad about Garcias team i was not.

[Chango15]

This is funny and crazy. You guys need to take a deep breath and analyze this.

Cant we see that PGF is cheapening itself by giving out free berths and by giving out THREE berths in qualifiers. They are simply trying to keep teams from playing in ASA Nationals. Plain and simple. As far as I am concerned, PGF is hurting itself. I'm losing respect for them.

[POP Time]

I think all this shows is that at the younger age group ASA Nationals might still be the more prestigious tournament. I think most of the teams from our side of the country would prefer going to PGF for the cost yet. the rest of the country is more in love with ASA Nationals. As the girls get older you see more teams from around the country traveling for the recruiting side of things.

What I don't get is why kick the teams in the mouth for getting an invite why not kick PGF in the mouth. Most of you say it is ok for Hype because they have been on top in the Sac area most of the year. Some of you but not all say it's ok for TC because at least they qualified for ASA Nats. Most of you say Lions what did they do???

Take 3 invite examples
Hype: A team who has traveled to Vegas, Fresno Force, MDC and played in 2 qualifiers. This team has represented well but failed to qualify for PGF or ASA came in 6th (I think at PGF Qualifier) Solid team plays well every weekend. Received an Invite probably because they chased and played in more than one qualifier.

Team CA: A team who has traveled to The Brenda Marsh Tourney, Fresno Force, and MDC played in 1 qualifier and was runner up qualifying for ASA Nationals. Solid team who has better getting better all season. Recieved an Invite because they qualified for ASA Nationals and I am sure it didn't hurt traveling down south to get their name out.

LTG Lions: A team who traveled to The Brenda Marsh Tourney, Fresno Force, MDC played in a qualifier and is traveling to Best of the west this weekend. This is a solid 01 team who is getting better every week. Probably got an invite because Joe Henderson or Jolene Henderson called in a favor but I would also say it had to do with being 3rd at Metros and getting their name out by traveling.

All of these teams have a few things in common.
1 They travel and have coaching staffs who represent their Organizations well which Tournament Directors like.

2 They chased what they needed to and represented well when it mattered.

3 The PGF directors probably have little to no idea who these teams are. Unless you win in a PGF tourney every weekend they don't have a clue who you are until you get older and play down south every month. Most teams receive invites for one of 2 reasons. They either played well in a ASA Qualifier and were asked or they did something as easy as writing an email telling them who they are, what they have done and asked for an invite. Some might have even done both.

If the system is set up this way, you should be pissed off at your own coach because your team didn't travel and your coach didn't get to know the right people when doing so, or because your coach didn't write an email to get your name out there. There is more to coaching than what happens on the field. I would also say be a little pissed that your team didn't play well when it mattered.

[sir88]

I would agree with the last two post. But I will say from what I've been told both Grapettes-K and Hype had to send a resume of what they had played in and how they had done. Honestly don't believe the Lions would get in based iff of that. But hey good for them and hope they play well when they go. I will tell you this those will be the most exspenive games those kids play in after tou average out the cost per game for that trip.