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by JimineyCricket » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:02 pm

softballmom73 wrote:But how bout that hit by #36 from Foothill Gold - what a stud! Was a great game played by both teams! Our games had ended and we came over to watch "the" game of the weekend battle it out. Was proud of all the girls on both teams. But that hit.....

You got that right! What a neat moment to watch. For that brief moment, all of us parents without a dog in the fight became FG fans. Of course, that feeling went away as soon as we took the field in the next game... :lol:
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by SquirrelsDad » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:22 pm

Small correction needs to be made regarding the 12u Metro semi-final game: FH Gold vs CA Rapids... The count and situation was accurate, but the girl was on first, not on second. The moment realized by everyone in attendance should be remembered for the hit, more than the pitching mistake. How many times have you seen a walk-off home run in 12u?
Those that know the girl that hit the ball (36) know she's a very humble hardworking kid, and it couldn't have happened to a better person. What a great battle through out, that ended in a dramatic instant. WOW! What's next???
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by Outta Here! » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:17 pm

JimineyCricket wrote:
softballmom73 wrote:But how bout that hit by #36 from Foothill Gold - what a stud! Was a great game played by both teams! Our games had ended and we came over to watch "the" game of the weekend battle it out. Was proud of all the girls on both teams. But that hit.....

You got that right! What a neat moment to watch. For that brief moment, all of us parents without a dog in the fight became FG fans. Of course, that feeling went away as soon as we took the field in the next game... :lol:



Best game of the weekend. What a great moment for #36. She hit that HR off one of the best pitchers in the area. It should be fun watching those two players and their teams compete the next time they play each other.
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by OverTheFence » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:28 pm

OverTheFence = Homerun...DUH! How many times do I have to repeat myself, it is NOT about the pitcher, it is about the Coaches, Parents (probably Dads) and Instructors!
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by newtohb2012 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:14 pm

OverTheFence wrote:OverTheFence = Homerun...DUH! How many times do I have to repeat myself, it is NOT about the pitcher, it is about the Coaches, Parents (probably Dads) and Instructors!


I know silly, just messing with you. We got to see many over the fence homeruns this past weekend, including the walk off #36 ripped! Good for her and good for her team. And, good for all the parents/spectators that got to stand around and enjoy the 'feel good' moment when it happened. :D
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by Sftball Junkie » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:43 pm

newtohb2012 wrote:You OBVIOUSLY do not have a pitcher for a daughter. You OBVIOUSLY haven't spent countless hours on a bucket catching said pitcher daughter. You OBVIOUSLY haven't spent the additional $40 a week on your daughters game over that last few years. Hey, maybe you should, there are many instructors out there that give fielding and hitting lessons too! Pitchers don't get to just show up to a couple of week night practices to work on their game, they throw just about every night of the week. They do this because they have a team dependent on her to get it in the zone, both the batters and the umpires. If you think for one minute the pitcher, parents and pitching coach in question are not aware of a replant issue if there is one, you are even more than just ignorant, you plain ol' stupid!

It's OBVIOUS because trust me, you would not be making that comment! Shame on you for picking on a child! Bully!


I love pitchers parents they are truly their own breed of nutty!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
(No I am not defending this over the fence 1 timer.)

Trust me I can completely understand the anger about the question that was posted as I to agree it is not right to call out any players ever no matter what the age nor do I think it is right to call out the coaches who spend countless hours giving up their time for free. unless you are going to post your actual name to it. That said I was involved in a conversation that took place during this game about why it is that the umpires claim they do not see this or just don't call it. I also wondered why many pitching coaches do not address these issues more.

Your comment above makes me laugh a bit. Just because you pay someone $40 every week doesn't mean they know what they are doing. I once had a 9 yr old's dad tell me their spectacular pitching coach said his 4 foot 3 9 yr old was with out a doubt going High Level D1 when she was older!! Really and you know this at 9 how??? I have coached plenty of girls who have a crow hop or in this case a leap, they continue to go to the same pitching coach for years and this was never pointed out. So please don't jump on the great pitching coach wagon we have very few of them in Sacramento. (Oops, just answered my own question about the pitching coach)

With out a doubt you are a pitchers parent since you seem to feel the only player on the team who works outside of practice is the pitcher. I know plenty of kids who do fielding lessons, hitting lessons and some type of speed and strength training every week and spend a whole lot more than $40 a week on all of it. Why would you assume everyone else on the team is sitting on their ass eating Ice cream watching TV when you and your DD are throwing to the bucket. By the way it's a hell of a lot easier to sit on a bucket and catch than it is to hit grounders for hours on end. At least you can sit!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I do find it interesting that Umpires never call this in ASA yet they think it will be different when they hit high school or college. If you do not force them to change the habit when they are young it will only be harder to fix down the road.

I can see letting one go here or there but pitchers who crow hop or leap every pitch should be called on it. If we don't call that, why would we call a slapper out if they hit the ball out of the box, a bunter out if the ball comes back and hits them out of the box. For that matter lets go ahead and call the runner out when the first baseman drops the ball, I am sure she didn't mean to drop it!!! To your point the pitcher is the only one who actually works on their position outside of practice while holding up the rest of the team since they are doing nothing to help her out on the field. Since pitchers are the only ones who work to improve themselves shouldn't they be the only ones held accountable for their mistakes? Just sayin...

Glad I am not involved in baseball I couldn't imagine having 7 pitchers parents on my kids team!!
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by newtohb2012 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:44 pm

Junkie, I hear ya. 8-)
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by jtat32 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:51 am

The question here, given that this is a 12u discussion, is whether a pitcher re-plants, or not. If any particular pitcher isn't, who gives a sh*t? Re-planting is obvious, it's a mechanical flaw, and it generally get's called. Otherwise, it's not worth worrying about.
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by Sftball Junkie » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:20 am

jtat32 wrote:The question here, given that this is a 12u discussion, is whether a pitcher re-plants, or not. If any particular pitcher isn't, who gives a sh*t? Re-planting is obvious, it's a mechanical flaw, and it generally get's called. Otherwise, it's not worth worrying about.


I am not sure if I would agree with that but it makes me think. Do you really think a re plant is the only advantage? My thought is with leg drive being so important in the power of a pitcher if you have a pitcher who leaps they can get a harder push off the rubber and a longer stride than a pitcher who is keeping the push foot in contact with the dirt. I would think that is a big advantage.
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by jtat32 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:04 am

Assuming that the motions are otherwise identical, I haven't seen that pitchers get much of an advantage by not dragging. The amount of forward momentum lost by dragging the foot is generally fairly minimal. I would guess it would correlate to an inch, or two, in stride length, at most. It's certainly possible for me to imagine a case where a pitcher did gain an advantage by not dragging; I've just never seen it. Re-planting is entirely different. In this case, the pitcher is essentially restarting the pitching motion closer to the plate.

I'm not saying that this shouldn't be addressed with young pitchers. It does represent a potential liability, and the sooner it can be corrected, the better. It just doesn't bother me if I see an opposing pitcher do it in a way that doesn't seem to provide an advantage.
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