Team California Demarini - CYPC Fraud

[#1fann]

@ILB,

And you are a dumbass my friend. Easy to read through your veiled back handed compliments. To loosely quote you, "I`m sure they`ll do well, but don`t get caught up in what they accomplished as players" and then you admit you don`t know anything about them as coaches. Klein and Granger are very successful coaches. As far as getting girls to the next level, you are right, unless the player has talent they won`t go far, but a helluva lot more doors will magically open for their players that you don`t even have a key to. You, like most of the other marginal organizations know that your pipeline of players just diminished significantly, and it`s only going to get smaller. Probably time for you to pull up the stakes and move your wagon and snake oil to the next town of hayseeds that will buy in to what you`re selling. As you know, this business is about getting girls to the next level, and you my friend, just ran out of ammo. By the way, i`ve been coaching at the youth and high school level much longer than you, but unlike you i`ve never professed to be some sort of guru. I have never taken one cent nor a free trip, and the loudmouth braggart method is for insecure turds. Hey ILB, can you tell us all why you`re in the travel softball business? Just curious.

[#1fann]

Im sure they will do great, but dont get so caught up in what people have done as players.

Crystal Bustos.... AMAZING communication skills with the kids and credentials to go with it.

Magic Johnson, one of best PLAYERS in the history of the game..... uh, him not so good as coach.

Scotty Brooks... looks to be a great coach in NBA, he was not a great player.... damn good one, but certainly not olympic caliber.

And this is not about these particular coaches at all... just saying dont get so caught up in players past performance to predict success as a coach.

So, if you`re not referring to these coaches in particular, who are you referring to? You`re a fraud, you just don`t know when to STFU! Unfortunately, the lemmings that continually follow your every move, will fall for your mind games until their bank accounts are dry. If your statement about Scotty Brooks "not a great player.... damn good one, but certainly not olympic caliber." wasn`t directed at Jenny Topping and Michelle Granger, then who was it directed toward? C`mon people!

[rbi]

Not to derail this thread anymore than it already is but, Scott Brooks IMO was the best HS player ever from the Central Valley. If he played when the 3 pt arc was around he would have gone from 35 pts per game to EASY 45 a game, as half his shots were beyond 3 pt land. He was lights OUT from way out, and filled every gym he played in HS, and during his time in the NBA he was the hardest working player on the court. NO one wanted his ass guarding them. And he has carried over the work ethic to the coaching ranks, he is the real deal coach OR player...

jc, where was Magic a HC?

[jtat32]

Im sure they will do great, but dont get so caught up in what people have done as players.

Crystal Bustos.... AMAZING communication skills with the kids and credentials to go with it.

Magic Johnson, one of best PLAYERS in the history of the game..... uh, him not so good as coach.

Scotty Brooks... looks to be a great coach in NBA, he was not a great player.... damn good one, but certainly not olympic caliber.

And this is not about these particular coaches at all... just saying dont get so caught up in players past performance to predict success as a coach.

So, if you`re not referring to these coaches in particular, who are you referring to? You`re a fraud, you just don`t know when to STFU! Unfortunately, the lemmings that continually follow your every move, will fall for your mind games until their bank accounts are dry. If your statement about Scotty Brooks "not a great player.... damn good one, but certainly not olympic caliber." wasn`t directed at Jenny Topping and Michelle Granger, then who was it directed toward? C`mon people!

No, I think you're alone on this. Obviously, I can't speak for everyone, but I feel pretty comfortable speaking for most of those who are operating without the benefit of an aluminum foil "secret message decoder" hat.

[jtat32]

Not to derail this thread anymore than it already is but, Scott Brooks IMO was the best HS player ever from the Central Valley. If he played when the 3 pt arc was around he would have gone from 35 pts per game to EASY 45 a game, as half his shots were beyond 3 pt land. He was lights OUT from way out, and filled every gym he played in HS, and during his time in the NBA he was the hardest working player on the court. NO one wanted his ass guarding them. And he has carried over the work ethic to the coaching ranks, he is the real deal coach OR player...

jc, where was Magic a HC?

I think this is part of ILB's point (not that you are arguing against it). In the NBA, the players who have gone on to be successful coaches are generally those that were not elite athletes, but had some success because they worked their tails off, and learned the game. Elite is a relative measure in this discussion. To even get a sniff in the NBA, you must be an elite athlete (or really big), but Brooks was no Michael Jordan.

Just because a player has success on the field doesn't mean that they have a solid understanding of the fundamental mechanics of their sport. Elite athletes often figure out efficiencies subconsciously, and often can't describe them accurately, and/ or can't communicate the mechanics effectively.

None of this precludes an elite athlete from being a good coach, off course. It's just a separate process, to a large degree.

[PDad]

jc, where was Magic a HC?

Magic coached the Lakers for 16 games at the end of the 93-94 season and went 5-11. He announced he wasn't going to coach the next year after just 6 games...

[ICMTM]

You know the conversation has gone too far when Magic Johnson is brought into it...

[Sftball Junkie]

WOW!!! Miss a couple days miss a lot!!!! Never going camping again....

ILB I get what you are saying. (Disclaimer)I am NOT claiming to be a GURU!!! I have been involved with comp sports in general for 20+ years and have seen a lot of elite athletes try coaching the sport they love. Some with great success, Others with limited.

One of the biggest reasons I think some elite athletes have a hard time teaching the sport they are so good at is for a lot of them it came natural, they didn't have to think about all of the little things when it came to technique. In a lot of cases thats why the not so great athlete becomes a great coach. They had to work twice as hard and think twice as much to get to that level. I really think it just depends on each individual and how well they can communicate.
(Disclaimer)I amNot saying the elite doesn't work hard!!! Some of us on the bucket are a lil sensitive...

#1FANN My thought is the other org's in the area will still do just fine when it comes to recruiting. I think groups like Magic, Breeze, All American Etc... still have their contacts as well, and will still get on the good fields when it counts. Plenty of room for another good org in the area... Please don't lump me in with all the turds and hatters. I was just making a statement about what I have seen over the years. Nothing negative towards Team CA org. or their coaches, never met them, Don't know to much about them. Wish everyone the best in their season.

[Momo's Dad]

This is an unfortunate thread that should probably be allowed to die, but the CYPC has done a solid job helping to fund youth activities in our area. As was noted earlier in the thread, there are often significant costs involved with raising money from donors and channeling it to meet the needs of our communities. That's an economic reality that cannot be eliminated simply by flipping a switch.

Be that as it may, those of you who still have doubts about the veracity of the statements made by CYPC are entitled to feel the way you do, but to throw Lyndsey Klein and her coaching staff - and by extension, her 12u team - under the bus actually calls into question your position, given that you're not willing to separate her knowledge, teaching skills, and coaching ability from the business relationship she has with her team sponsor.

I understand and appreciate that adult egos are always going to be a huge part of youth sports or any other activity kids are in, but why not give her a few months as a coach before starting the typical HB bashing. I have not known Lyndsey very long, nor do I know her very well, but my daughter really enjoys working with her and has benefited from that relationship. As far as I'm concerned, as a parent, I'm getting excellent value for my money.