Shocking!!

[exD1dad]

Sid dont statistics prove that illegal aliens commit the vast majority of crimes in California?

[blackwidow]

I never recommended that taxpayers subsidize drug users. What I have said is that vices are not crimes.

The problem is that they still require income, in the form of cash or valuables, to support other aspects of their lives. How do you think they get that cash? Ask your neighbor who’s house was broken into? Or your co-worker who was robbed at gunpoint.

This problem doesn't change whether drugs are legal or illegal. The states job to punish the crime of robbery not the vice of drug addiction.

If you want to stop crime, incarcerate drug users and let the courts decide who is eligible for treatment and who should do a bullet in county.

Are you actually saying these words?
Incarcerating drug users doesn't, hasn't and will never stop crime. We can't even keep drugs out of prisons let alone off the streets. That is a ridiculous assertion. All drug users do not resort to criminal activity to feed their habits.
The state’s war on drugs, like its war on poverty and its war on terrorism, is a failure, unless you consider turning hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding people into criminals a success.

According to the FBI The most frequent arrests made in 2008 were for drug abuse violations (estimated at 1,702,537 arrests). These arrests comprised 12.2 percent of the total number of all arrests. http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/arrests/index.html

I personally don't want my tax dollars being used to kidnap and incarcerate any person who's only "crime" was ingesting an unapproved substance.

Vices by themselves are not crimes.
http://www.lysanderspooner.org/VicesAreNotCrimes.htm

"Unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be on earth no such thing as individual right, liberty, or property — no such things as the right of one man to the control of his own person and property, and the corresponding and coequal rights of another man to the control of his own person and property." ~Lysander Spooner

[Sid Barrett]

My god widow, are you that blind?

While I agree with you that not all drug users resort to crime to support their habits, almost ALL crime includes some aspect of drug abuse, particularly if you include alcohol in the mix. Your statement that incarcerating drug users "doesn't, hasn't and will never stop crime" is about one of the most ignorant statements that your keyboard has ever typed. That is the difference between you and I. You cruise the internet looking for articles that support your extreme view points and hide behind them like they were the gospel. I, on the other hand, have been doing the work of the evil government for over 20 years and know, first hand, that incarceration of drug users stops crime.

I know from my personal experience that every time a tweeker is arrested and jailed for 36 or 48 hours, while he awaits arraignment, that is one or two days that he is not breaking into someone's car, shoplifting from a department store or stealing someone's identity. You wouldn't know these things because your not out there to witness them firsthand. Sitting in the comfort of your home, in front of your PC and reading some crazy article from the Huffington Post does not constitute knowledge or truth.

I understand that the having the evil government criminalize the ingestion of a certain substances doesn't fit your narrative of justice, But like it or not, believe it or not, the incarceration of drug users absolutely, without question reduces crime. Sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow. Walk a mile in someone eles's shoes my dear widow and you may see things differently.

BTW, I love it how you bang on the evil government and then turn around and quote their statistics. If its on the internet...it must be true.

Oh yeah, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Interested??

[jonriv]

Syd- Shine on you crazy diamond!!!

[Sid Barrett]

The paper holds their folded faces to the floor!

[Pale Rider]

Just like the people that say the death penalty does not deter crime. I pretty much guarantee that the guy that gets the chair will never commit another crime. I don't care if it stops someone else, that guy is out of the equation.

x2
I also find it odd that pro-abortion folks are usually against the death penalty...I guess it matters to them as to when you kill somebody

[PDad]

The paper holds their folded faces to the floor!

And every day the paper boy brings more.

[blackwidow]

ALL crime includes some aspect of drug abuse

Do You have any Hard Evidence of that? Source please?

that incarceration of drug users stops crime

Source?

evil government and then turn around and quote their statistics

Well since anything that I post that is relevant to my point of view seems to be a problem for you why don't you give me a list of agreed upon sources for information and we can begin again?

DOGS
https://vimeo.com/42401427


Statists believe that any problem confronting mankind can be “solved” through the use of the State, and therefore all States should be Unlimited and Parental in Nature. It is a form of utopianism that takes as faith that the only factor preventing a Utopian society is the presence of “the wrong people”, who must be coerced into the proper behavior by a governmental parent. This leads to an expectation of “perfection” and “efficiency” in government programs and actions that will lead to peace, security and safety.

[Battle]

Just like the people that say the death penalty does not deter crime. I pretty much guarantee that the guy that gets the chair will never commit another crime. I don't care if it stops someone else, that guy is out of the equation.

I have no problem with that except for cases like this:

Johnny Garrett of Texas was executed February, 1992, for allegedly raping and murdering a nun. In March, 2004, cold-case DNA testing identified Leoncio Rueda as the rapist and murderer of another elderly victim killed four months prior.[15] Immediately following the nun's murder, prosecutors and police were certain the two cases were committed by the same assailant.[16] In both cases, black curly head hairs were found on the victims, linked to Rueda. Previously unidentified fingerprints in the nun's room were matched to Rueda. The flawed case is explored in a 2008 documentary entitled The Last Word.

What if this was your family member?

[blackwidow]

Back to the original article posted on page 1....

Do you want to live in a world where the police or government agents can pull you off the street and invade your bodily cavities in search of drugs?

Under the guise of probable cause or a drug sniffing dog alert?

If I am driving down a lonesome highway or worse my beautiful young 19YO daughter and she was pulled over by one of these officers and handled this way there would be nothing to stop me from wanting to murder that officer.

Is this where we are heading in this war on drugs?
Simply put yourself or a loved in the position of this person for one moment.
Or the family whose mom was murdered in a no knock raid. Put yourself in that family's position for a moment.
Talk about walking in another mans shoes, try walking in these peoples shoes. Without a badge and a gun this is kidnapping, rape and murder.

When agents for the government are given this much power and no accountability where exactly to you think the real sociopaths of society will look for work?

I'm not worried about drug users hurting me. I'm worried about unchecked authority as I have clearly illustrated in the many actual NEWS ARTICLES that I posted in this thread.

Peace