ASA tournaments

[men talljie aunt]

Pony Boy thanks for taking time away from your golf game. I know how much you need the practice. I spoke with your golfing partner Allen R and he said the only 2 good balls you hit the last time you all played was when you stepped on the rake. But he said he was able to regrip your shaft and after that you were able to swing freely. Giggle giggle laugh

Again, the purpose here is not ASA vs VTD for me, it is just trying to gain some clarification. I accurately stated that VTD was charging more for their tournaments than ASA. That is a fact. The term you need to understand is value. You will get no argument from me about VTD being a better value than ASA in terms of tournaments. So while I appreciate you taking the time to respond, it was completely unnecessary because your whole response was based on value and not cost. I said cost not value. Here is the math you and ADNIL are looking for:

VTD $425/6 = 70.83 per game
ASA $325/4 = 81.25 per game

Based on my logic based math, VTD is obviously the better value in terms of average tournament criteria per organization. However, my original comment way back when was dealing with VTD charging $425 for 6 games tournaments for ASA charging $140 for 4 game friendlys. The math there is as follows:

VTD $425/6 = 70.83 per game
ASA Friendly $140/4 = 35.00 per game

Ouch! Yes Spazdad I know I am comparing tournaments to friendlys. But it is not comparing apples to oranges it is more like comparing filet mignon to hot dogs. I would far rather play 4 games against the very best teams in the area that are going to be top 10 or top 20 at ASA nationals than play 6 games against a 16 team filled with 1, maybe 2 , competitive team(s).

Also just for good measure I will admit you "learned" me in the art of cut and paste and display those skills now for the edification of the masses out there not from North TX. Not all of your scenario addressed in your response is completely accurate for all VTD tournaments. Here is just an example of one VTD OPEN tournament highlighting the rules for VTD play:

VTD RULES APPLY
5 GAME GUARANTEE
BAT ROSTER WITH FREE SUBSTITUION
GAMES ARE 55 MINUTES FINISH THE INNING *** (Interesting...seems to be similar to the big bad wolf)
GAMES MAY END IN TIE
6 RUNS PER HALF INNING
UNLIMITED RUNS 4TH INNING ON **** (Interesting approach to simplifying the game)
RUN RULE
15 AFTER 3
12 AFTER 4
10 AFTER 5

HOME TEAM IS OFFICIAL BOOK
VISITORS RUNS SCOREBOARD

2 TEAMS WILL ADVANCE 2 CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
WIN COUNTS AS 3
TIE COUNTS AS 2
LOSS COUNTS AS 1
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME WILL BE 5 INNINGS NO TIME LIMIT
7 RUNS PER HALF INNING **** (Interesting strategy - lets make new rules up for the 'ship)
UNLIMITED RUNS 5TH INNING ***** (Now this is really simplifying the game)
ITB RULES IN EFFECT FOR CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
RUN RULE
17 AFTER 3
15 AFTER 4

FIRST PLACE PRIZE
BRAND NEW BUCKET OF YELLOW BALLS FROM ACADEMY ***** (Yellow balls????- is this the same as fastpitch softball)

In all seriousness, VTD does have the right approach to tournaments. They are a better value than ASA when it comes to tournaments. Using pool to seed into a bracket is good business. But lets me completely truthful here, VTD is in existence because of a WEBSITE not because of some product on the field. They are also in existence because of MONEY.

You are also right that in the end it is all about trying to get school paid for to some degree assuming your DD wishes to play and is not being forced or pushed by mom & dad. But it is awfully naive to think that is going to get done in PONY.

[Joe]

Aunt Jemima

My golf game is improving wonderfully now that I’m not playing politics with the antiques that run the local ASA establishment. Plenty of time now and freedom to schedule friendlies, tournaments, scrimmages without kissing the ass of Gotcher, Grubbs or any other ASA royalty in NTX.

Three stars for your attempt at a reversal on your claim about costs…VTD vs. ASA. I especially like this one, “I accurately stated that VTD was charging more for their tournaments than ASA”. Ummmm…yeah, and a 55 minute pool game is the same as a 6 inning game. I mean, I know we’re not the “elite” ones but please, don’t play us for the ones that worship the old guard, being led by the nose ring to the promised land of the new, improved ASA in NTX.

“ASA Friendly”? What the hell is an ASA Friendly? Better yet, what the hell does ASA have to do with a friendly. They’re the ones that put up every road block imaginable…that is until VTD started to kick their ass…and now, I can just imagine the meeting at the ASA pool hall… Plan B…”WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING HERE FOLKS! LET’S CREATE THE ASA FRIENDLY!!!”

Here’s some math for ya:

VTD $425/6 = 70.83 per game
ASA Friendly $140/4 = 35.00 per game
Practice = 0.00

Of course..you can always play yourself…with yourself.

And as they say if you fish long enough you can always catch a turd…Your example of a typical VTD tournament isn’t at all typical, but very typical of one who is willing to skew the truth (like your costs analysis VTD vs. ASA). Most VTD tourneys ARE six game gg with a full 75 minute finish the inning or 5-6 inning formats. Just the facts please…

Now finally…comes the encore. This one takes the cake:

VTD is in existence because of a WEBSITE not because of some product on the field. They are also in existence because of MONEY

Lord have mercy…what a line of PONYsh#t!!! The only product on the field is the one our DDs put out there…and it has nothing to do with your elitist ASA putzheads. AND…If you don’t think ASA is putting money in the pocket of some…let me introduce you to some of the lifetime ASA appointments in NTX. Non-profit simply signifies 501c status with IRS…but let’s get a clue here. Plenty of peeps associated with ASA are cashing in….especially the one writing the rules, holding the reins and won’t let go…20 years after their DDs played the game!!! Not about the money?…then why did ASA drop the best thing they had going? A decent website…and they won’t even hire a competent programmer to construct a new one.

So as the story goes…you can come on here and defend ASA till your willy falls off. I’ll be right behind you… with plenty of super glue.

[dueceduece]

It is funny how this thread was started by someone asking a question about how to sign up and find ASA tournaments and was turned into ASA v.VTD.
Here is an idea Joe don't comment on ASA stuff. Face the fact that most teams are going to play both. You have what you want so shut up and butt out.
You should be happy if all of VTD tournaments are so great and full then let them stand on that and not your big a$$ mouth. I for one don't want to play VTD for the sole reason of YOU! When basically I could careless. We just want to play ball. But your mouth makes me not want to support anything that you are involved with. However, I am an adult and can put petty things aside and just let the kids play! Where ever that may be. I don't think we can say the same for you.

Yes, the ASA website stinks! I dont think anyone is arguing with you on that! I think the majority of us wish that ASA was still using VTD but for whatever reason they are not. So we have to make adjustments just like in the real world. I have found the more you mess with the website you begin to be able to navigate it. I know first hand that most of the TDs are willing to help.

I am just saying it is what it is. Everyone is aware of what has happened and we don't need you to continue the chest bumping and ASA bashing. Most teams will play both ASA and VTD and let that be that.

[Joe]

Here is an idea Joe don't comment on ASA stuff. Face the fact that most teams are going to play both. You have what you want so shut up and butt out.

Fat chance douchedouche...I don't like your idea. Now that I'm retired and in my lake house, I wake up every morning with completely new ways to bash ASA or any toad that might ask me to clam it. If you'd like I'll customize a comment or two just for you. Let me know when to start.

VTD?...if they screw it up...I'll customize some for them too.

[dueceduece]

You are nothing but class....

Note to self you can't argue with a 3 year old. Done with you! call your mom to change your diaper and wipe that a$$ of yours.

I am sure VTD enjoys you driving the bandwagon since you are such a classact!!

[Sheriff10]

duece, you are correct about Joe. You cannot reason him. This ASA/VTD thing is personal with him. He does not like Glen Gotcher. It was said that VTD is here because ASA did not renew the contract with Allen for VTD. Allen would agree. It was not that ASA put an inferior product on the field or refused to recognize friendlies. This is personal for Joe.

If you pay attention, you will see many on here who are on to his game or completely ignore his comments. You are right. He is doing more to hurt VTD than anything ASA could ever do. I'm starting to think he is really working for ASA. Allen Richardson does not need this guy's ranting.

[Joe]

Done with you!

Pffft....didn't you say that three threads ago?

[Joe]

He does not like Glen Gotcher.

I would have never guessed

[retratStihS]

YOU LADIES STILL GOING ON ABOUT VTD ASA? YEAH BECAUSE THESE LOCAL TEXAS TOURNAMENTS JUST MEAN SO MUCH.

[ADNIL812]

I noticed on the VTD tournament listings for 10U there is an ASA tournament listed. Is this a mistake?

3rd ANNUAL MOTHERS DAY ONE DAY EVENT IN CAMP COMAL, NEW BRAUNFELS!!!!!! New Braunfels, TX ASA 10U Open 05/08/10 05/08/10 3 9 799