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Coaches Need to Teach More than X's and O's

by dueceduece » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm

Oh sorry after taking a look. THEY ARE ALL OPENS
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by pbj2000 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:20 pm

TinaD wrote:My daughter was playing the game after this one and that was the score after 3 innings. This team has got a bunch of ballplayers on it and I agree, they are good! But, I also have to admit, we were going to be taking the dugout of the losing team and I was embarassed to be wearing a Glory shirt. To the poster that said "should they give up on practice?" The losing team was having an awful time fielding the bunt, so they continued to bunt (practice). The catcher wasn't quick enough to throw the girls out, so they continued to steal (more practice), and everytime the opposing pitcher went into her wind-up - you did hear a bunch of 11 and 12 years olds screaming at the top of their lungs. Practice, to me, would mean doing things that you don't ordinarily do in a bracket game to get better - such as, after it becoming evident that your not going to have a problem winning the game, give the starting pitcher a break and put the backups into the key positions to gain experience. If you start running into trouble, then put your starters back into their positions. If you call yourself a coach, then you know when the right time is. Unfortunately, I didn't see this. The losing team was home team and I even heard a parent innocently ask, shouldn't they just give up? You can spin this whatever way you want, but where I come from, we call it an a** kickin and it was downright embarassing!


Tina...I would assume you are with Glory Adkins - Tolan (game afterwards with Glory name)...the Glory team you are referencing above in your post is a Glory Shelton squad...I believe we addressed this earlier...glory adkins and glory shelton are NOT THE SAME
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by pbj2000 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:22 pm

Looks like you beat them later on ;)
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by dallasFP » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:27 pm

dueceduece wrote:THere you go DallasFP that solves everything.
Only if there were B class tournaments still. Take a look and almost all tournaments are now Opens....


Good point.
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by TinaD » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:01 pm

All I know is that they had the same logo on the front of their shirts as I did. Unfortunately, being new to Glory, I don't have a clue about the differences between Shelton and Adkins or what happened between them. They didn't hand that out in the package we received at tryouts. ;)
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by lotsofmilesforball » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:10 pm

justawatcher wrote:
lotsofmilesforball wrote:I fully understand the differences within the overall name and who clings on to who, etc... My overall point, and it was obviously missed, is that if you take on the name of an organization, whether you are affiliated or not, you will always be lumped in with the name that you represent and should understand that. It used to mean something to have the word "Glory" on your jersey but now, there's so many, both good and not so good teams, that whether or not it's Adkins/Shelton/whoever, many people look at them the same.


So if I went and started my own softball organization and called it "Glory Adkins Justawatchers" and started the following teams:

18U Glory Adkins Justawatchers (Smith)
16U Glory Adkins Justawatchers (Jones)
14U Glory Adkins Justawatchers (Brown)
12U Glory Adkins Justawatchers (Martinez)

then I would be associated with Jack Fultz' group?

So should we associate Ken Graves and Mark Rhine with Gary Hanning simply because they called themselves Batbusters?



I am of the opinion that the only reason you would take/steal the name Glory/Batbusters/Etc... but not be affiliated with the "head" person is because you are using the name simply for brand recognition and a way to get players. If you're going to use the name to get players, some of the negative feedback on these boards should be anticipated.
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by Battle » Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:51 pm

Reality Check wrote: Even more upsetting was that when I began to watch the last inning, the winning team was still bunting and stealing bases. We get it, Super Coach! You're team was better than the one that you were playing. Now how about instilling a lesson in your girls about good sportsmanship. That you win with class and lose with class. I'm not saying to step on the plate to make an out, or even to purposely leave a base early. But for God's sakes, learn and pass on a little class and sportsmanship when you're the role model of a group of young girls. You do not continue to run up the score by manufacturing runs when you're are so far ahead. The other team was obviously outmatched. The win was well in hand. Congratulations. It doesn't mean you have to crush the will of the opposing team's girls.

In addition, the coaches of this team allow their girls to scream at the opposing pitcher as she's ready to deliver the ball. They are not cheering on their hitter. They are not singing a song in the dugout. They are merely showing poor sportmanship by trying to distract the pitcher by screaming at the top of their lungs and rattling the dugout fence. Inexcusable.

The only problem that I see is the taunting from the dugout and/or bleachers. IMO the coach should have put an end to that. As far as laying down for the other team, maybe. Pesonally, I probably would have but I'm not going to thrash a coach for not doing it. That's his call. If a kid is going to be permanently damaged from getting hammered in any sport then maybe they should take up knitting.
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by DonnieS » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:38 pm

Battle wrote: If a kid is going to be permanently damaged from getting hammered in any sport then maybe they should take up knitting.


I had a coach tell me - when I was having my player step off base - ' please dont do that , my kids need to get the out, whatever it takes.' Another time, I told my player, who was my dd, to step off the base and take the out - she said no. Before I had a chance to decide how to react - the other coach said 'Donnie, dont make her do that, this isnt her fault, she just wants to play ball.'
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by Momo's Dad » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:33 am

DonnieS wrote:I had a coach tell me - when I was having my player step off base - ' please dont do that , my kids need to get the out, whatever it takes.' Another time, I told my player, who was my dd, to step off the base and take the out - she said no. Before I had a chance to decide how to react - the other coach said 'Donnie, dont make her do that, this isnt her fault, she just wants to play ball.'


I agree with the other coach and your DD. It's one thing to take your foot off the gas pedal as far as the running game is concerned, but quite another to ask your kids to do things to add insult to injury. That's totally classless.

My team won a really close away game against a tough team earlier in the fall and the girls were understandably excited. I shut down the 'excess celebration' immediately, though. I instructed my girls to smile and be happy, but to be humble in victory. The host team and their families had been incredibly cordial all day, but even if they hadn't been, I would've expected my team to be truly respectful of an opponent who'd really challenged them to play their best game that day.

Respect for our opponents means NOT giving the types of instructions you did, Coach.
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by Aeroball » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:22 pm

Why would you take your foor off the gas when the score is 13-0 in the top of the 1st inning? The coach in this game did pull out his starting pitcher in the first inning, also he did not have a single player in their primary position through out the entire game. It seems that he did use the game for PRACTICE. I have seen teams slack off only to not be able to regain focus in the next bracket game. Also, players can get hurt when they are NOT focused and playing the way they are taught.
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