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by anonlooker » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:03 am

JCates wrote:
anonlooker wrote:Oh okay. And when I leave the cardio I'll go straight to a psychiatrist, because I'd have to be insane to take advice from such a complete moron! :lol: :lol:


Thank you for justifying my comments about the direct shots toward me from others on this site. As I said before...they mean nothing and I don't care about your opinion of me.

Want to get back to discussing the issue at hand?


Well, I got a clean bill of health from the cardio. At the psych's office I related my concern and asked her to read this thread. She did, and when she was done laughing she told me it was a good thing I came in, that I was due for some treatment. She then instructed me to go to the couch and remove all my clothing. I followed her direction, and sang out "Doctor, doctor! Give me the cure!" She did, and I'm much more relaxed now. :)

I presented this "stat" to support my idea that all educated women are horny, and the world is wonderful. See how that works?

As for the issue at hand - your credibility - you have none, so there's nothing to discuss.
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by JCates » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:17 am

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JCates wrote:.I just do not want to have a young girl seriously injured if it can be avoided without compromising the game by wearing an inexpensive mask. If you want to take this to that lame morally superior argument because I care for and want to protect a young girl from being injured go for it.

By the way I have never voted liberal in my life, but I do evaluate each case and establish my views based on what I believe is best. I have never looked at this as a morally superior view...I just have seen kids get hit, and read cases of kids getting hit and I feel wearing the mask is a wise choice. It will not compromise the game and it will protect a girl from potential injury. What harm is there is that?

Since you are so concerned about player safety I will ask again, what type of bat does your kid swing? I would say your answer must be a single wall aluminum or wood, not a composite. Correct? Or would that compromise the game.
Also regarding the statements that there is no stigma attached to wearing a mask what do you base that on? Because you saw one D1 player wearing it? How many top level Gold and College coaches have you talked to about this topic? I would venture to say not many because there are many that flat out say they do not look favorably, to put it nicely, on players that wear masks.


Spaz...she swings a composite that is legal by the rules. Should the governing bodies change the rules to some other standard I will comply with no issues. Everyone would be under the same standard with the bat so there would be no competitive difference anyway. Regardless of what DD now swings, if I were to have her change to say, a wood bat, others would still be swinging the composites until rules restrict them. What does your DD swing? Do college and Gold level coaches want players that swing a wood or aluminum bat for fastpitch softball? I stated that the masks are making there way into the D-1 level of play. Unless I am mistaken, I did not state that there was a stigma, I stated a case where they are making their way to the D-1 level of play as others have done. As for the college player using the mask, that was in response to a previous post. I simply stated I saw the use of the mask during a D-1 college game at a time when this discussion was going on. I have, however, sent some emails to college coaches to get their views so I do attempt decent research despite the view of anonlooker.

Regardless, if you look at my posts, I have repeatedly stated my comments directed toward the younger ages where there are multiple levels of girls facing each other in the same age group. In 12U for instance, you have those players that you know willl be gold level players knocking the daylights out of a ball when there is an "average" level player on the other team playing at pitcher, 1st, and 3rd. Unfortunately, a lot of these parents think their DD is much better than she is and she has no mask to protect her.

I am not looking for a negative battle with this discussion. I just want the younger girls protected from injury. It is not being moraly superior, I simply care about these young ladies and am trying to look beyond the time they play softball. I think even you will agree that the majority of these young ladies will not play at the gold level or college level. I do honestly believe that now that the technology with masks have improved it will not hinder a great players ability for a scholarship. Coaches at that level have to win to keep their jobs and if there is a great player that can help that coach reach that goal that also chooses to wear a mask, I think she will get that scholarship regardless of whether or not she wears a mask.
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by MarkJMillsap » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:24 am

Spazsdad wrote:I also have heard that CIF is considering mandating masks. I sure hope it is not for two more years ;)


CIF approves metal bat standards, will encourage use of protective gear
Comments (1) August 10, 2010 | 11:37 am The executive committee of the California Interscholastic Federation approved last week a motion that would require aluminum baseball bats to be used for the 2011 season to meet the new BBCOR performance standards.

It also passed a motion that would mandate the CIF to encourage member schools to voluntarily require protective headgear for baseball and softball infielders and pitchers for the 2011 season, while also proposing to the National Federation of State High School Assn. Baseball and Softball rules committees to develop standards for protective headgear in 2012.

Sorry to say Spaz, but it looks like it will happen in 2012. Let me preface this to say I'm not looking for an argument, but wouldn't it make it easier for those who are concerned what college and gold coaches think. It appears that many who espuse their right to choose, are actually more concerned with what others think. ;)

On a side note, it may not be long before they ban composites as we know them (at least for HS). My son is in HS, next year BBCOR is all that will be BESR certified!
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by JCates » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:24 am

MarkJMillsap wrote:JCates: I applaud your resolve on this issue, but I don't think you are going to convince those who remain in this discussion. While I haven't advocated mandatory use of a mask, I would not be opposed to it. It appears the real issue now is having the rule imposed would take away their right to choose. And no, I'm not a Bleeding Heart Liberal. I would venture to guess this will be a non-issue in a couple of years. CIF is already advocating "vouluntary" use of a mask by both the boys and girls. Mandatory use is being discussed. It also looks like Little League will institute mandatory us within the next couple of years as well. My dd will contine to wear one as long as she is in the circle. Although I admit, she does not wear one at 2nd base.


I agree with you Mark.

My goal has never been to convince these 2-3 that I have been in discussion with, but those who are undecided or willing to change. That said...I am tiring of this conversation because it has gotten off subject and is now the typical trash talking you see on this site. Planning to just read for a while unless I see a great point made from either side of this issue.
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by liveintex » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:03 am

I don't see the huge issue here and why it must lead to such contentious talk. IMO, masks should not be mandated by any organization unless they'll also mandate a chest protector, knee pads, and shin guards for the players since they all in essence serve the same purpose.

I am a fan though of the 3rd baseman wearing a mask until they hit the gold level because by then, they should be expert at their position. My daughter plays first base and does not wear a mask. She's taken a richochet off the face but that's all a part of the game and until she wants one, I won't make her wear it.

Think about this. Little kids routinely wear bike helmets as well as helmets while snow skiing. When they get older and their skills at each activity get better, they get rid of the helmets and no one really thinks twice about it.

Because this issue involves the safety of our kids I can see why people feel so passionate about it but at the end of the day it's a personal choice so I see no reason why so many aduls on here must always resort to the level that it is now. If you want your kid to wear a mask, make her wear it. If not, you don't have the right to criticize others because you don't care about your kid anymore than I care about mine.
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by slaphitter » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:06 am

Spazsdad wrote:The pro mandated mask crowd cannot support their argument with anything but emotion, as is typical with the liberal mindset, since there are no stats to support their stance.. They always know what is best for others and are not content just making their choices for themselves and moving on. They must make sure that everyone else conforms to their morally superior views.


I do not care about stats. Stats just give probilities. They do not say "This will not happen to my Child." I care about giving my dd the best possible safety protection available to minimize and/or prevent facial and head injuries while she is playing softball. If just 1 child's injury can be prevented the mask is worth whatever it cost. Maybe some of you do not comprehend a question so again I will ask ""WHY NOT HAVE YOUR DD WEAR A MASK"" ????????????????? And please do not use, It is uncomfortable, I don't like it. They say the same about batting helmets.
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by Blind Squirrel » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:18 am

slaphitter wrote:
Spazsdad wrote:The pro mandated mask crowd cannot support their argument with anything but emotion, as is typical with the liberal mindset, since there are no stats to support their stance.. They always know what is best for others and are not content just making their choices for themselves and moving on. They must make sure that everyone else conforms to their morally superior views.


I do not care about stats. Stats just give probilities. They do not say "This will not happen to my Child." I care about giving my dd the best possible safety protection available to minimize and/or prevent facial and head injuries while she is playing softball. If just 1 child's injury can be prevented the mask is worth whatever it cost. Maybe some of you do not comprehend a question so again I will ask ""WHY NOT HAVE YOUR DD WEAR A MASK"" ????????????????? And please do not use, It is uncomfortable, I don't like it. They say the same about batting helmets.


Because, given what I consider the extremely remote chance that she would be hit in the head by a batted ball, I didn't make her. In the hundreds of games I've seen from rec ball to college, I have yet to see a kid hit in the head by a batted ball. During the time my kid played in SoCal, the place with the highest density and largest number of FP players, I have seen very, very few kids playing with a mask on. If kids were getting hit often enough, surely I would have seen more than a few, at least on kids who had already been hit. Why do you suppose that is?
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by MarkJMillsap » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:45 am

Blind Squirrel wrote:
slaphitter wrote:
Spazsdad wrote:The pro mandated mask crowd cannot support their argument with anything but emotion, as is typical with the liberal mindset, since there are no stats to support their stance.. They always know what is best for others and are not content just making their choices for themselves and moving on. They must make sure that everyone else conforms to their morally superior views.


I do not care about stats. Stats just give probilities. They do not say "This will not happen to my Child." I care about giving my dd the best possible safety protection available to minimize and/or prevent facial and head injuries while she is playing softball. If just 1 child's injury can be prevented the mask is worth whatever it cost. Maybe some of you do not comprehend a question so again I will ask ""WHY NOT HAVE YOUR DD WEAR A MASK"" ????????????????? And please do not use, It is uncomfortable, I don't like it. They say the same about batting helmets.


Because, given what I consider the extremely remote chance that she would be hit in the head by a batted ball, I didn't make her. In the hundreds of games I've seen from rec ball to college, I have yet to see a kid hit in the head by a batted ball. During the time my kid played in SoCal, the place with the highest density and largest number of FP players, I have seen very, very few kids playing with a mask on. If kids were getting hit often enough, surely I would have seen more than a few, at least on kids who had already been hit. Why do you suppose that is?



In 10u 80 to 90% of pitcher wear masks this year. I think this topic has run its course. I would ask that we all, regardless of position, turn our attention to praying for the young lady who was struck at Central Montgomery High School yesterday. She is unresponsive. Let's keep that post on topic, and pray for her only. Her family needs that.
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by TexasSoftball » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:22 am

Thanks Mark for getting everyone back on track on what the immediate needs are. I don't think everyone will ever agree on if it should be mandated, but we need to pray for this daughter and look for her recovery.
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by slaphitter » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:44 am

Blind Squirrel wrote:
slaphitter wrote:
Spazsdad wrote:The pro mandated mask crowd cannot support their argument with anything but emotion, as is typical with the liberal mindset, since there are no stats to support their stance.. They always know what is best for others and are not content just making their choices for themselves and moving on. They must make sure that everyone else conforms to their morally superior views.


I do not care about stats. Stats just give probilities. They do not say "This will not happen to my Child." I care about giving my dd the best possible safety protection available to minimize and/or prevent facial and head injuries while she is playing softball. If just 1 child's injury can be prevented the mask is worth whatever it cost. Maybe some of you do not comprehend a question so again I will ask ""WHY NOT HAVE YOUR DD WEAR A MASK"" ????????????????? And please do not use, It is uncomfortable, I don't like it. They say the same about batting helmets.


Because, given what I consider the extremely remote chance that she would be hit in the head by a batted ball, I didn't make her. In the hundreds of games I've seen from rec ball to college, I have yet to see a kid hit in the head by a batted ball. During the time my kid played in SoCal, the place with the highest density and largest number of FP players, I have seen very, very few kids playing with a mask on. If kids were getting hit often enough, surely I would have seen more than a few, at least on kids who had already been hit. Why do you suppose that is?


I was at a 10u game and saw and heard it happen. If (I sincerely hope you never do) you have seen it and heard the impact of the ball you will never forget it and you will probably never let your dd play again without a mask. It was a horrible and sickening sight.
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