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by texasugly1 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:56 am

okla21fan wrote:
justawatcher wrote:
Nothing was ever done on this by the way. Withee is a liar. No one in his metro ever did anything but hold the rug up and sweep it under. Grubbs? Gotcher? Anyone? Who was it that was "handling the deliberation process for any reprimand against the coach in question?" If you're going to try out for the bombers, make sure you don't let any of your kids out of your sight.


a few questions:

Was he allowed to coach after this via ASA?
did he ever appear on an ASA roster as a coach after this?
Has he appeared on an ASA roster as a coach since?
Does he currently appear on an ASA roster as a coach?
What ASA tournaments has this guy's team participated in since he has 'become' the coach?


Not really sure if this is an 'ASA problem' (if it is a problem at all) as it might be best to look where this team has been playing and is currently registered and playing future tournaments. The finger pointing might need to be pointed where this team is currently sanctioned (where ever that is) and probably more importantly, the parents making a choice if they would like their kid playing for this coach. :roll:


I could be wrong. But I do not think he has coached any where since leaving the Kruzers/Glory. It appears he is going to use the Austin, Texas Bomers organization and regirster this team state and play out of the east Texas area( mt. pleasant, longview, tyler, )...

It is kind of weird though that no one has defended him but Fred and no one from the Bomber org. has chimed in. ????? Doesn't central Tx teams use this forum?
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by justawatcher » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:59 am

okla21fan wrote:a few questions:

Was he allowed to coach after this via ASA?
did he ever appear on an ASA roster as a coach after this?
Has he appeared on an ASA roster as a coach since?
Does he currently appear on an ASA roster as a coach?
What ASA tournaments has this guy's team participated in since he has 'become' the coach?


Not really sure if this is an 'ASA problem' (if it is a problem at all) as it might be best to look where this team has been playing and is currently registered and playing future tournaments. The finger pointing might need to be pointed where this team is currently sanctioned (where ever that is) and probably more importantly, the parents making a choice if they would like their kid playing for this coach. :roll:


Who said this was an ASA problem? Ron Withee said that (I assume FW) Metro was taking care of this. If that's true, then ASA felt it was a problem. Hence my question to Withee-are you a liar or did ASA drop the ball? Regardless, the Texas Bombers now employs a coach that knowingly allowed a 2 time convicted sex offender to work under him.

If you're suggesting that having convicted sex offenders as members of a coaching staff is not "a problem at all" then this is likely not a conversation that would concern you.
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by bombercoach » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:05 am

Alright , I normally do not respond to things that are posted on here because it usually does not warrant a response! But I do respond to things when they attack our players or they attack the individuals that dedicate so much of their time to helping young people achieve their dreams. It is quite obvious that there are a few people that are committed to posting as much hate and misinformation as possible on here because they dislike someone or the program etc. I am a 1SG in the United States Army and have been in the military for 20 years....so integrity is a very important to me , as well the protection of young people is something I take very seriously and in the end is our #1 priority. If I thought for one second that an individual was a threat to one of our kids they would not be here! Here are the facts:

We run background checks on all of our coaches in our program in addition to the background checks done by ASA for ACE certification and the background checks done by PGF for coaches certification with them. We ran 3 separate background checks on Mr. Flanigan and he reported no criminal background. We also contacted ASA to inquire about the status of Mr. Flanigans ability to coach in those events , he is 100% eligible to coach and has NEVER failed a background check with them either. There was the question regarding the use of the illegal player and the fact surronding who was responsible (the coach - Mr. Flanigan or the manager - Mr. Withee) is in dispute.....but the punishment was given and all parties have moved on. We feel no need to continue that issue and will monitor that all roster issues are understood in the future and that an issue of that nature does not take place.

Also the key point here is that we ARE not employing Mr. Flanigan's brother to coach in our program and he will not be able to have anything to do with the ETX Bombers Gold team. We will not engage in the business for beating down an individual for the mistakes of his brother....in regards to any other mistakes made , if our empathy in this situation is criticized then thats fine , but to make broad accusations like "If you're going to try out for the bombers, make sure you don't let any of your kids out of your sight." crosses the line! At some point people in Texas are going to be able to co-exist in this world we call fastpitch softball in Texas. As well we will also get tired of letting people get on open forums , hide behind a screen name and bash people and spew hatred for the sole purpose of doing so!

This will be the only post made about this and if any parent , official , player , hate blogger , anyone wants to see the background checks done on our coaches feel free to contact me and I will be glad to share them with you.....I will not be hard to reach because I will be putting my name and contact info at the bottom of this and not hiding behind a screen name.

Take care and have a great fall season....

Scott Smith
ssmith@texasbombers.net
http://www.texasbombers.net
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by okla21fan » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:32 am

justawatcher wrote:
Who said this was an ASA problem? Ron Withee said that (I assume FW) Metro was taking care of this. If that's true, then ASA felt it was a problem. Hence my question to Withee-are you a liar or did ASA drop the ball?

You brought up ASA official's by name and opined that they swept this under the rug, so yes, you are implying that this is an ASA problem. where was a ball dropped? Playing in ineligible player in ASA Championship play usually results in a one year suspension. That time has passed, the coach in question paid for a mistake. That part is a moot point

As for the other accusations you seem to assert, I'll leave that one alone as the facts are not even close to being clear. Personally, I would have simply gone to FTW ASA with your concerns instead of trashing this guy on the message board.
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by texasugly1 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:12 pm

bombercoach wrote:Alright , I normally do not respond to things that are posted on here because it usually does not warrant a response! But I do respond to things when they attack our players or they attack the individuals that dedicate so much of their time to helping young people achieve their dreams. It is quite obvious that there are a few people that are committed to posting as much hate and misinformation as possible on here because they dislike someone or the program etc. I am a 1SG in the United States Army and have been in the military for 20 years....so integrity is a very important to me , as well the protection of young people is something I take very seriously and in the end is our #1 priority. If I thought for one second that an individual was a threat to one of our kids they would not be here! Here are the facts:

We run background checks on all of our coaches in our program in addition to the background checks done by ASA for ACE certification and the background checks done by PGF for coaches certification with them. We ran 3 separate background checks on Mr. Flanigan and he reported no criminal background. We also contacted ASA to inquire about the status of Mr. Flanigans ability to coach in those events , he is 100% eligible to coach and has NEVER failed a background check with them either. There was the question regarding the use of the illegal player and the fact surronding who was responsible (the coach - Mr. Flanigan or the manager - Mr. Withee) is in dispute.....but the punishment was given and all parties have moved on. We feel no need to continue that issue and will monitor that all roster issues are understood in the future and that an issue of that nature does not take place.

Also the key point here is that we ARE not employing Mr. Flanigan's brother to coach in our program and he will not be able to have anything to do with the ETX Bombers Gold team. We will not engage in the business for beating down an individual for the mistakes of his brother....in regards to any other mistakes made , if our empathy in this situation is criticized then thats fine , but to make broad accusations like "If you're going to try out for the bombers, make sure you don't let any of your kids out of your sight." crosses the line! At some point people in Texas are going to be able to co-exist in this world we call fastpitch softball in Texas. As well we will also get tired of letting people get on open forums , hide behind a screen name and bash people and spew hatred for the sole purpose of doing so!

This will be the only post made about this and if any parent , official , player , hate blogger , anyone wants to see the background checks done on our coaches feel free to contact me and I will be glad to share them with you.....I will not be hard to reach because I will be putting my name and contact info at the bottom of this and not hiding behind a screen name.

Take care and have a great fall season....

Scott Smith
ssmith@texasbombers.net
http://www.texasbombers.net



Mr Smith...
I just wonder how you as a member of military can sit here and mention the same coach and the word integrity in the same sentence. The way I can see it he cheated at Nationals with an illegal player, that does not spell integrity. Whether it was the coach or Mgr's fault, it would have looked better on the coaches part to forfeit the games or not go to Nationals if he knowingly new he had an illegal player. Again, doesn't' spell integrity. As far as his brother goes, I understand you can not hold that against the so called coach.

But I would like to ask 2 other questions. If he has no issues with ASA or anything. Why be based out of east texas when the majority of the players will be from the dfw metroplex. Throws up a red flag in my eyes.
My other concern, is if you are the coach I have seen before. I have seen your self act a fool on the field. The one thing that caught my eye was that you attempted to spit on one of the opposing teams parents sitting by the fence. Another one that spells integrity.
But thanks for defending our country, unless you were a cook. just sayin
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by texasugly1 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:50 pm

texasugly1 wrote:Does not look like this organization does there back ground checks.
ETX Bombers Gold
Head Coach - Thomas Flanigan

This guy has been booted from almost every where he has been in N. Texas for cheating, fighting, and probably other things. WOW


Fred....
Here is my original post. I never said he did anything other than the above. The other things I said could mean anything...
But hey, if it smells like a cheat, looks like a cheat, must be a cheat..
So Fred, since you are the coaches right hand stroker..... Why didn't he make this team based out of the DFW area. Do you think he is going to draw a lot of kids from the cleats org. or central texas or louisiana or arkansas? Doubt it... Majority will be from DFW...
I will wait on your response stroker...
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by texasugly1 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:43 pm

@ Fred...
Actually I just copied and pasted it. It was posted under "What happend to the thread for Background checks for Coaches"..

It does not matter what I or we say. Atleast a few more people have knowledge of this guys character or lack of and the company he bring with him. He may not have his brother involved. I do not know. Just want folks with kids playing for him to be aware.

So stroker... Go rub the coach some more and just maybe you will get moved from the bleachers to the bench right beside him...
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by justawatcher » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:14 am

bombercoach wrote:Also the key point here is that we ARE not employing Mr. Flanigan's brother to coach in our program and he will not be able to have anything to do with the ETX Bombers Gold team. We will not engage in the business for beating down an individual for the mistakes of his brother....in regards to any other mistakes made , if our empathy in this situation is criticized then thats fine , but to make broad accusations like "If you're going to try out for the bombers, make sure you don't let any of your kids out of your sight." crosses the line! At some point people in Texas are going to be able to co-exist in this world we call fastpitch softball in Texas. As well we will also get tired of letting people get on open forums , hide behind a screen name and bash people and spew hatred for the sole purpose of doing so!


No one ever said you were employing his brother. For me though, if I'm running an organization, I don't want my name anywhere near being associated with a guy who knowingly allowed a sex offender around teenage girls. You see it differently and we can respectfully agree to disagree. In that I suppose I am criticizing you, but it's your apathy I don't agree with. After re-reading, I agree that I did cross the line with my statement and for that I apologize.

okla21fan wrote:You brought up ASA official's by name and opined that they swept this under the rug, so yes, you are implying that this is an ASA problem. where was a ball dropped? Playing in ineligible player in ASA Championship play usually results in a one year suspension. That time has passed, the coach in question paid for a mistake. That part is a moot point

As for the other accusations you seem to assert, I'll leave that one alone as the facts are not even close to being clear. Personally, I would have simply gone to FTW ASA with your concerns instead of trashing this guy on the message board.


Am I wrong? Did ASA actually do something about the matter? If they did, then they will get my sincerest apologies. I was not the one that first said ASA was taking care of this. Ron Withee said that. I'm not implying anything at all. If what Ron said was true, and nothing was done-that is where the ball was dropped. What facts have I stated that are not true? Did Shaune Flanagan not expose himself to a 10 year old and a 12 year old boy? Did his brother not allow him to coach with him?

Fred wrote:Not so fast there slimeball. You dug up the post below that detailed problems with the guy's brother and now you want to talk about an alleged ASA infraction? Really? You and Justabugger falsely accuse this guy of sexual misconduct and now we remember? Oops!!! It's his brother?

You sir...are a POS! Justa too!



I didn't falsely accuse anyone of anything. Shaune Flanagan ecommited sexual crimes per the state of Texas. You have beef with someone accusing him of that, take it up with them. Please post where I ever mistook Thomas for his brother. All I said was that he employed a sex offender. He did! I think that's wrong. If you're ok with it that's fine but you sir are the one that needs to get his facts straight and do better research.
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by justawatcher » Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:16 pm

justawatcher wrote:
Please post where I ever mistook Thomas for his brother.


Still waiting
:roll:
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by justawatcher » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:09 pm

Fred wrote:
I found it!



Thought so. Go Joe!
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