my dislike for travel ball compared to high school ball

[Skarp]

You strike me as the one living your dreams vicariously through their child...

And you strike me as an insufferable dolt, but that's really beside the point here, isn't it?

I guess you missed the part of my response that said if it aint broke don't fix it.

And I guess you missed the part of my initial post where I said that if it is broke, by all means coach it...pretty much obviating the need for your entire response. Which probably explains why I didn't hang on every rambling, marginally coherent word of it.

I did catch the personal insults though. By all means continue. This could be fun.

[softball_rules5]

You strike me as the one living your dreams vicariously through their child...

And you strike me as an insufferable dolt, but that's really beside the point here, isn't it?

I guess you missed the part of my response that said if it aint broke don't fix it.

And I guess you missed the part of my initial post where I said that if it is broke, by all means coach it...pretty much obviating the need for your entire response. Which probably explains why I didn't hang on every rambling, marginally coherent word of it.

I did catch the personal insults though. By all means continue. This could be fun.

Really wouldn't want to waste your time with an insufferable dolt (seriously, did you have to google that). Plus I am sure you have much more time to devote to getting DD's schedule for TB to all the PAC 10 schools. Or maybe you have some Epstein vids to watch so you can fix every little hitting flaw.

I would say lock this thread mods, but obviously no one is watching.

[Skarp]

Really wouldn't want to waste your time with an insufferable dolt (seriously, did you have to google that).

That's right, don't mess. I'm a whiz with a thesaurus. Ask anyone.

[softball_rules5]

Really wouldn't want to waste your time with an insufferable dolt (seriously, did you have to google that).

That's right, don't mess. I'm a whiz with a thesaurus. Ask anyone.

And you even spelled it right. Kudos. Get back to those vid's and hitting lessons. Wouldn't want to keep you.

[Battle]

HS is a chance for players to wear their school colors, play with their peers that they have been playing with/against from a young age and bragging rights for their school. TB is where they learn competiveness and instructions from that young age and acquire schalorships. That's it. Why ,as a HS coach, would you want to change that?

[Battle]

geez battle, did i touch a nerve or is it that time of month? I said that they are good hitters, not great. You always have parents that dont want you to touch their daughters swing because they pay big money to go to an instructor. My arguement is this, one of my girls has been going to her instructor for 5 years. For her 4 years with me she never loaded her wrists properly...example knob of her bat always pointed out in front of the plate. Without loading your wrists can cost you a tremendous amount of bat speed and power. The kid still hit in the low. 400's every year. She got away with it because she can put the bat on the ball and todays bats are rocket launchers. When you say a suggestion to a parent that this could help generate even more bat speed and power and they say..."well she is hitting .400 what do you want" what can you say? Not saying I know everything about hitting, but if I had a kid for 5 years and never said that to her once I think there is a problem.

Well you didn't touch a nerve so I guess it is that time of the month. “It's that time of the month” for a HS coach to start a thread called....my dislike for travel ball compared to high school ball. “It's almost that time of the month” for a HS coach to start taking the .400 and .500 hitters and instructing them how to hit better when it would make more sense to use that time on the .100 hitters and instruct them. “It's almost that time of the month” for HS coaches to work with the .600 hitters so that you can take a little, itty, bitty part of the credit for the success (because of their batting coach, mind you) that these hitters are having because you know there is not a chance that you have the knowledge/patience to actually take the .100 hitter and make them into even a .200 hitter consistently by the end high school.

I started out giving you the benefit of the doubt because I don't think that all HS coaches are idiots. Just the ones that will mess with the TB players that are making him/her look good through out the high school season instead of really concentrating on the weak spots. Which category do you fall in? I am far from the middle of the road on this issue because I look at who is benefiting the most from the other. TB from HS or HS from TB? That's a no brainer. I do look at HS coaches with an open mind from the start and then base my opinion on them from what they say and do and how they approach the game.

[hittinseedz]

Yeah, I do it for the extra few dollars! Lets see I work with my girls starting in aug-dec on weight training and core training. We do workouts in the winter twice a week. I dont work with them for about 2-3 months out of the year. Dont think I get paid any extra for the 6 months I work with them out of season but I may have to look to be sure. Your statement contradicts itself by saying, you only mess with the good players and wont take the time to make your bad ones better. Son that is what I have to do and what HIGH SCHOOL ball is all about. Maiking a competitive team with what you have. I cant be like these travel teams and go out and have tryouts for a position because one of my players isnt what I thought they were to begin with. At the same time if I personally think there is something that one of my travel ball players could do better it is my job to tell them and coach them. I have been blessed with some very good ball players, but usually the only ones I have had that have egos are the ones that play upper level travel ball. Perfect example last season I had a D-1 player in this state that was simply not playing to her potential. I took her out in the middle of the game and some of the girls told me later she came in and said "it's alright, I already got my scholarship." I have been blessed to turn around a terrible high school program into one that has been very good the last few years. I have done it with rec ball players and travel ball players buying into what we want to do and having goals they want to work at together. You find me one kid that would rather win a state title for their community and with their friends, or one that would like to win a big summer tourney that 25 people are there to watch. I completely understand the benefit of travel ball and urge all my girls to play at the highest level they can. All you hear are travel ball coaches saying "they are getting these scholarships because of playing with us." I wouldnt disagree that this is where the girls are being seen, but at the same point WE are the ones staying on them about their grades so that colleges will look at them.

[SiddFinch]

Yeah, I do it for the extra few dollars! Lets see I work with my girls starting in aug-dec on weight training and core training. We do workouts in the winter twice a week. I dont work with them for about 2-3 months out of the year. Dont think I get paid any extra for the 6 months I work with them out of season but I may have to look to be sure. Your statement contradicts itself by saying, you only mess with the good players and wont take the time to make your bad ones better. Son that is what I have to do and what HIGH SCHOOL ball is all about. Maiking a competitive team with what you have. I cant be like these travel teams and go out and have tryouts for a position because one of my players isnt what I thought they were to begin with. At the same time if I personally think there is something that one of my travel ball players could do better it is my job to tell them and coach them. I have been blessed with some very good ball players, but usually the only ones I have had that have egos are the ones that play upper level travel ball. Perfect example last season I had a D-1 player in this state that was simply not playing to her potential. I took her out in the middle of the game and some of the girls told me later she came in and said "it's alright, I already got my scholarship." I have been blessed to turn around a terrible high school program into one that has been very good the last few years. I have done it with rec ball players and travel ball players buying into what we want to do and having goals they want to work at together. You find me one kid that would rather win a state title for their community and with their friends, or one that would like to win a big summer tourney that 25 people are there to watch. I completely understand the benefit of travel ball and urge all my girls to play at the highest level they can. All you hear are travel ball coaches saying "they are getting these scholarships because of playing with us." I wouldnt disagree that this is where the girls are being seen, but at the same point WE are the ones staying on them about their grades so that colleges will look at them.

And you say TB coaches have egos. I just read - me, me....blah blah...me, me...blah blah. You really shouldnt assume on points that you really dont have any idea about. I am sure your high school is proud that you are representing them on a this forum.

[softball_rules5]

Seedz, your fightin' a losing battle (pardon the pun). These guys see no value to HS coach, even when that coach gives them credit and encourages them to play TB. They also are the first ones to point out every flaw with a HS coach, but would never dare throw one of the DD TB coaches under the bus. I truly believe in what you say and back you all the way, but dude we are in the minority.

[hittinseedz]

where is the me,me,me in that post. All I did was respond to fogle's comment that high school coaches do it for a little extra cash. There are some of them out there, but the ones who have good programs are doing something almost year round and for what. If we have bad seasons the coaches are idiots, if we dont go far enough another coach could have taken them farther. We do it because we love the game and the high school atmosphere. Lord knows I didnt take over at my school for ego. The school was pitiful and I wanted to help make it into something. I have been blessed with parents that work with me and players that work for me. Over time we have made our school matter in this area and I am proud of that. I have played college baseball and traveled nationally in softball, but none of that compared to the first time we won a sectional together. I would love to work more hand in hand with my girls travel coaches, but I am just a high school coach so I wouldnt want them to feel dumber being around me.