Who is actually going to the Frenso Force Classic?

[hotwheels]

I love all the assumptions everyone made and are now upset over the way things are.
No one ever said this tournament was a replacement for FF.
No one ever said SCF was going to be huge, in fact ,if people did any research they would have known SCF limits the size of their tournaments.
There are very few, if any, tournaments that announce the size of the fields before hand due to field constraints dictated by the cities.
If you want in a tournament, get your entry in with your check early. It would be interesting to see how many of the teams on the waiting list have even sent their money in yet.Do they just assume "We are team X, we are a big deal, of course they will let us in"
Just because some posters here, that have nothing to do with the tournament, put their spin and hype on things does not make it factual.
It has been posted that they are trying to secure more fields to allow more teams to enter. Why not wait and see what they come up with.

Totally agree....100% the managers' faults....Myself included.....

[lvtwft]

I love all the assumptions everyone made and are now upset over the way things are.
No one ever said this tournament was a replacement for FF.
No one ever said SCF was going to be huge, in fact , if people did any research they would have known SCF limits the size of their tournaments.
There are very few, if any, tournaments that announce the size of the fields before hand due to field constraints dictated by the cities.
With online registrations anyone can click the link and say they signed up . If you want in a tournament, get your entry in with your check early. It would be interesting to see how many of the teams on the waiting list have even sent their money in yet.Do they just assume "We are team X, we are a big deal, of course they will let us in"
Just because some posters here, that have nothing to do with the tournament, put their spin and hype on things does not make it factual.
It has been posted that they are trying to secure more fields to allow more teams to enter. Why not wait and see what they come up with.

You run into the problem of Fresno being full (if that is were they want to play). Then what are you going to do? It is just one weekend, but it is a damn good weekend....

[sportzjunky]

look at the top line on page nine of this link below... NU posted DECEMBER 9th, 2009 - Im not bagging anyone but if your team goal was to stay south this thread should have been the initial alert IMO...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7695&start=80&hilit=force+finest

[dittoz]

@ Spaz - factually you're quite correct that no one made this out to be an Us versus Them mentality, but when threads like this one: viewtopic.php?f=401&t=10056 gain traction and the mob mentality sets in, it becomes that. I said very early on that this was going to take a lot away from Fresno and it has. There are enough fields in your land to not have to schedule this on the very same weekend as FF, but the organizers made that choice. Then, there was apparently some "minor" details left out regarding capacity and now folks are not happy. As I said before - karma...

@ yerout - I don't see anyone holding you in town against your will with a gun to your head. If you start talking too much trash about NorCal while you live here and long for those Halcyon Days when your DD played in that SorCal rec league, you're going to take some heat yourself! It ain't THAT far of a drive my friend - I know several who go south every weekend... At the very least, find a place to play and stay there, make it better and deal with it! Sheeesh...

[Intel]

The Force Classic downsized our tournament this year thinking that SCF would pull teams away from our tournament and with the current economy. If teams get turned away from SCF and request to come to our tournament, we will add additional fields. The Classic still has 15 fields that we used last year not committed to this year's tournament.

The Classic biggest problem in adding teams is that we use an 8 team pool so we must add teams in groups of 8. Although we wished SCF would have chosen a different weekend, we wish only the best for SCF as our teams have played and will continue to play in their tournaments.

The Classic has always been the one traditional tournament each year where the NorCal teams met the SoCal teams in Central Cal. Although some younger teams may have forgetten the tradition, we have heard from many 18 Gold coaches and parents encouraging us to maintain the tradition that is the Force Classic.

The Force Classic in 2010 will be played on the last full weekend in April and will continue to be played each year on the last full weekend in April. We do not care if they think it is Rodeo Weekend, because we know it is all about softball!

[outfielder]

So Cals Finest as of now is taking 36 teams for 12's and 14's. We are looking for more fields and should know by Monday.

Forgive the California public educations...I guess this means the first 19 teams off the wait list for 12U that get their money in will be in the tourney since there are 17 in already?

[Acer97]

Re: Who is actually going to the Frenso Force Classic?
You are right they are all good pepole but JMO SCF should have stated they were only taking 17 teams in each Div. I think that may have put a different spin on things. You had guys like Under the Radar pumping this thing up with SCF vs. FF poll showing list of whos coming, we all got excited. It looked like a National type tournament.

My DD team made it in but we are kinda bummed that all those teams are not going to be there and this tournament is on the small side and not all the top teams. I am sure the Washington team came down becouse of the huge list I wonder if they are bummed? I hope they get more fields and can host everyone....

The cut off did surprise us on from the Wa Acers. I guess we'll see what happens in the next few days regarding the issue of expanding the teams in SoCals Finest, and we'll go from there. I can say that no matter the location or the size of the tourney, our girls are excited to come down there and play.
The crazy part to this is that we tried getting respones from the FF people for weeks back in Nov. We submitted the on-line application, and sent a check.... no response. I believe the treasurer even did a stop payment on the original check and re-submitted a second. Still nothing.
Like I said, our girls are excited.. SCF or FF. We know it'll be tough, hard games either place.

off subject - we're all flying in Thurs morning and would be interetsed in playing a few extra practice games thursday nite or friday if any team is interested and can fit something like that in during a weekday.

Regards,
Wa Acers

[outfielder]

It has been stripped by a tournament that looked to be huge and now it turns out only 17 teams.

Are you looking for quality or quantity? Just because there are 50 teams doesn't mean you are getting better games.

How about quality and honesty. The list that shows "begun the registration process" is simply a wait list...nothing more, that should have been stated up front. Maybe someone was trying too hard to accomplish something great without much planning. It it too bad that the Bucket pimped this tourney and then only 17 teams can make it...and there isn't too much quality...looks like CA-Lockman and BB-Snow are the quality. I see more quality on the "wait list". Hopefully the other fields open up or it may come down as a great idea with not much planning (which may very well hurt future events...should have kept to the 14u and older tournaments...if more fields open up this can be salvaged.

And, the list of the Force tourney has quantity but is really lacking in quality (from So Cal -- don't know much about No-Cal teams).

Maybe someone should host a friendly from the wait list

You have no clue what you are talking about. You have guys running these tourneys that have been running tourneys for 20 years.
This is from the web site
Attention Coaches,
If you have started your registration process and are listed in blue you are not officially in the tournament until you send in your entry form and check.

So lets here what great team you are from?

I guess I don't have a clue, all I am going by is what I have read on this site. I take back the part about the "wait list", I guess it was stated on the website (but that wasn't how it was protrayed in this thread). I guess I assumed the Bucket was involved in this tourney and again I am wrong. I thought I read something about knowing by Monday if more fields were going to open up...?

It doens't matter what team my DD is on, and the last thing I want is to bring bad Karma to my DD's team and coach. I was simply replying to Spaz's comment on quality vs. quantity. I guess I had it my head that most of Brackey's top 20 would be at this tournament, and I say many of them on the wait list. That is wishful thinking....I guess it could still happen if there are 36 spots, not just 17. I will climb back in my hole, go into timeouit and look for a clue

[lvtwft]

I always assumed Numero and others were the Socalfinest tournament peoples...
As to getting a response from F.F. people...umm how can I say this nice.
The suck big King Kong softballs...
I have emailed those people dozens of times over the years, and I have NEVER received a response in a timely manner let alone one at all.
That mentality is what put me off this tournament the most(not to mention the snack bar, I like good eats). Customer service baby, you would not be in half the mess you are in now if you had some. Even had rude field coordinators and staff I have dealt with.(sure a lot of tourneys have those as well). That just does not look bad upon the tournament but the whole ORG..
Not to hard to have one person answer these on a weekly basis at the least.. JMO

[samsoftball]

So Cals Finest as of now is taking 36 teams for 12's and 14's. We are looking for more fields and should know by Monday.

Forgive the California public educations...I guess this means the first 19 teams off the wait list for 12U that get their money in will be in the tourney since there are 17 in already?

They are accepting 36 teams TOTAL, not 36 teams in each division. Currently however, there are only 11 14U teams signed up. So maybe there will be additional 12U spots.