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12U Bracketologist Ranking - Pre ASA Nationals Updated Poll

by softball4everandever » Wed May 25, 2011 6:38 am

ASA Rules?? What if a team makes it to Alabama, one girl can't attend but wants to attend Western Nationals with another team...can she? Got asked that question and don't know the exact answer...
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by sofbal1234 » Wed May 25, 2011 8:02 am

Spazsdad wrote:
softball4everandever wrote:ASA Rules?? What if a team makes it to Alabama, one girl can't attend but wants to attend Western Nationals with another team...can she? Got asked that question and don't know the exact answer...

No.
As long as her team is advancing in Championship play she is ineligible to be a pick-up player for another ASA team

There is also been alot of talk about some quality 98's from a various teams that have moved to some top 10 teams. They can't participate with those teams since they weren't on the roster at the time of the draw, RIGHT!!!? ;) ;) ;)
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by Luv_SC » Wed May 25, 2011 8:09 am

I believe they can be added at states. I do think they do not red line your roster till states. Once you play at states with a team though you are stuck if your team continues onto championship play. ANY ASA Championship. If your team does not then you can be picked up as a pick up player from a team that is continuing in championship play.
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by sofbal1234 » Wed May 25, 2011 9:20 am

Luv_SC wrote:I believe they can be added at states. I do think they do not red line your roster till states. Once you play at states with a team though you are stuck if your team continues onto championship play. ANY ASA Championship. If your team does not then you can be picked up as a pick up player from a team that is continuing in championship play.

Guess i'll have to do more extensive research today... Understood the roster needed to be turned in at the draw along with birth certificate's, asa card's etc. :?
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by PapiBall » Wed May 25, 2011 9:45 am

Luv_SC wrote:Punished whatever. Have a fun and stressful weekend and remember karma is a b@@@@.
Your daughter looks better in a Punishers uniform anyway.


Karma? Don't believe in it like I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Clause. :P
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by Luv_SC » Wed May 25, 2011 10:54 am

Check with your comissioner. That might take a week :D But I know a few years back I added someone at states via VTD presented paperwork at check in and was fine. Not sure of rules now for additions and such.
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by ontheblack » Wed May 25, 2011 11:35 am

From that point on those players are locked to that team as long as the team continues on in championship play.


Which is why some teams that dont qualify for Nationals fold. The better players (often including the coach's DD) are then free to pick up with a team headed to Nationals instead of keeping the team together and playing Westerns.
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by sofbal1234 » Wed May 25, 2011 12:01 pm

Spazsdad wrote:
sofbal1234 wrote:
Luv_SC wrote:I believe they can be added at states. I do think they do not red line your roster till states. Once you play at states with a team though you are stuck if your team continues onto championship play. ANY ASA Championship. If your team does not then you can be picked up as a pick up player from a team that is continuing in championship play.

Guess i'll have to do more extensive research today... Understood the roster needed to be turned in at the draw along with birth certificate's, asa card's etc. :?

I believe you were misinformed. Have never heard or seen the requirement to have your roster, etc, turned in at the draw. It is not even required to be at the draw so your claim makes no sense.
Rosters are turned in at your first qualifier, along with all associated documentation, and the roster is "red-lined" .They even collect 20 bucks from you to cover the cost of mailing back all your stuff if you forget to pick it up after you are eliminated. From that point on those players are locked to that team as long as the team continues on in championship play.




Thanks to a PM by one of our comrades here on the Bucket I've been informed of all the formalities (& non-formalities, if you know what I mean ;)...) And yes, I was misinfomed on several instance's
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by coachEd » Wed May 25, 2011 1:08 pm

With Brackey’s latest coaches rankings, here is a snap-shot of the rankings for the State brackets. Four teams from each of the top and bottom part of the bracket will get a berth.

Top part of bracket
4 – BB98
14 – Sun Devils
15 – Cruisers
17 – Choppers (Vannoy)
18 – Mizuno Pride
19 – SD Aztecs
20 – AAs 98
22 – So Cal A’s
24 – American Pastime
25 – AAs 99
30 – Eliminators 99
31 – Gamers Academy 98
34 – Teamsmith
39 – Minors Gold 98
41 – TNL
47 - USA A’s (Medina)
48 – Powersurge 98
Plus 9 teams not ranked in the top 50

Bottom part of bracket
2 – Punishers
3 – Victory
5 – Rawlings
6 – Breakers (Sieber)
7 – USA A’s (Berouty)
8 – Double Play
9 – Choppers –Black
11 – Corona Angels 98
12 – OCBB –Briggs
13 – Strikeforce 98
16 – Nemesis 98
21 – Madness
23 – Combat Panterhs
26 – Hurricanes 98
29 – Eliminators 98
32 – Jynx 99
33 – OC Banzai
35 – Breakers (Williams)
36 – Powersurge 99
37 – Stealth
39 – Sudden Impact 98
42 – Corona Angels 99
43 – Cal Lite
46 – Team Anderson 99
Plus 3 teams not ranked in the top 50

Can anyone recall there ever being a more lopsided bracket than this year? Not only are there only 3 teams in among the top 15 in the top part of the bracket vs. 10 top 15 teams in the bottom, but also the disparity between 9 unranked teams in the top vs. 3 in the bottom.
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by glasshalfempty » Wed May 25, 2011 2:44 pm

coachEd wrote:With Brackey’s latest coaches rankings, here is a snap-shot of the rankings for the State brackets. Four teams from each of the top and bottom part of the bracket will get a berth.

Top part of bracket
4 – BB98
14 – Sun Devils
15 – Cruisers
17 – Choppers (Vannoy)
18 – Mizuno Pride
19 – SD Aztecs
20 – AAs 98
22 – So Cal A’s
24 – American Pastime
25 – AAs 99
30 – Eliminators 99
31 – Gamers Academy 98
34 – Teamsmith
39 – Minors Gold 98
41 – TNL
47 - USA A’s (Medina)
48 – Powersurge 98
Plus 9 teams not ranked in the top 50

Bottom part of bracket
2 – Punishers
3 – Victory
5 – Rawlings
6 – Breakers (Sieber)
7 – USA A’s (Berouty)
8 – Double Play
9 – Choppers –Black
11 – Corona Angels 98
12 – OCBB –Briggs
13 – Strikeforce 98
16 – Nemesis 98
21 – Madness
23 – Combat Panterhs
26 – Hurricanes 98
29 – Eliminators 98
32 – Jynx 99
33 – OC Banzai
35 – Breakers (Williams)
36 – Powersurge 99
37 – Stealth
39 – Sudden Impact 98
42 – Corona Angels 99
43 – Cal Lite
46 – Team Anderson 99
Plus 3 teams not ranked in the top 50

Can anyone recall there ever being a more lopsided bracket than this year? Not only are there only 3 teams in among the top 15 in the top part of the bracket vs. 10 top 15 teams in the bottom, but also the disparity between 9 unranked teams in the top vs. 3 in the bottom.


Upper Bracket- Looks like a weak Triple Crown Qualifier BB98- The Finals or Bust!!!
Lower bracket has ridiculous matchups- Victory & CA98 have a cakewalk to qualify!!!

Wondering how many teams will breakup after they eliminate each other in the lower bracket? Will Punishers, Rawlings, DP, Nemesis, Breakers, USA Athletics-Berouty, Strikeforce98, or Choppers-Black survive through June? Will Western Nationals be enough for their better players? Who among them will be willing to go to the second chance tourney? Who among them will be desperate enough to go to the Citrus Ripoff Qualifier? Will some of these weaker teams that qualify even bother to go? Alabama- A lot of money for 4 games!!! Time will tell.
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