Premier Northern Cal

[BenAround]

Inferring that running SFC tourneys locally is comparable to what Premier is doing on a national basis is ignorant, if not moronic.

Owww, sounds like you got "butt hurt".

Is it the exact same, no. Is it harder, yes. Is it on a larger scale, yes. Is it comparable, yes.

[AlwaysImprove]

Sliding way too off topic.

PGF gave away too many berths.

PGF "sold" the Fl. berths to teams that did not have to actually earn their berth via competition on the field. They could easily include language in the tourney contract that indicates if the tourney is not held due to lack of teams (aka interest) NO berths would be awarded and the money would be refunded. The drop dead date could be well before any team flew out. OMG $$$ refunded, NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

PGF is a for profit business. The apologists need to remember that. What better way to make profit than to charge for a tournament, not have it, then hand out berths.

Gary and Dan have been running and making $$$ from tournaments for YEARS. They are not new to this arena. Making excuses for them indicating so is ignorant.

To answer your irrelevant question: I don't care who gets the money, as long as they provide a high quality product. Freebies and pay-to-play don't indicate a quality product.

Having them come on here and at least admit that the berths did not go out high quality way, is at least a little encouraging. When this happened in the past it was always on the down low.

When it was done in the past the teams that were 'given' berths were teams 90-140. Those teams could not compete against a good little league team. I think both the FC and the Sting are quality teams.

I am all for being hard on people, and yes, giving berths away is a bad thing. There still has to be some comparison to the other offerings. So far, how they are getting to 58 teams at pgf is resulting in way better group of teams than how ASA gets to their 140.

As people realize that PGF is the way to go, what happened in FL goes away in the future.

[ontheblack]

So far, how they are getting to 58 teams at pgf is resulting in way better group of teams than how ASA gets to their 140.

Absolutely!

It will be interesting to compare the brackets between the two at 14s. Given the teams at PG, I would bet many of the PGF brackets would be considered a "bracket of death" in Midland.

[AM Softball]

Scott has been saying all year that they intended to go to ASA Nationals. Im sure they entered the Premier qualifier to just show they could qualify and shut up the naysayers if they win ASA.

This isn't in my division but when I read this, it was confusing so I thought I'd comment....he hasn't said all year he was going to ASA...

If you read his past posts, he indicated that he was going to Premier and was getting invited again, after being invited last year. Did he get an invite (because I thought invites were posted and weren't participating in the qualifiers) or did he choose to go to ASA after he did not get an invite? Another poster, on this board, asked him if it felt good to tell them to take their Premier berth and shove it so I bet there is a lot more to this story than he was going to ASA all along.

Also, if the Raiders have an invite, why are they playing in these qualifiers as well?? I guess I am confused on the invites...are they posted in full?

Also, ASA has, in the past, also awarded berths if there were not enough teams to play so this happens in both leagues and has happened for years and years. That's why you see teams, my own included, signing up for places like Florida, that look like they will not fill up. It is just a strategy of qualifying...because qualifying isn't as easy as people think....

[BenAround]

The 18HS Raiders do not have an invite. They failed to earn one in Hemet. Did anyone see how Phil behaved up there?

The 14u Raiders failed on a few attempts to qualify for PGF, but they were able to buy one via the under-attended Florida qualifier.

[AM Softball]

The 18HS Raiders do not have an invite. They failed to earn one in Hemet. Did anyone see how Phil behaved up there?

The 14u Raiders failed on a few attempts to qualify for PGF, but they were able to buy one via the under-attended Florida qualifier.

I guess that is why I have been confused this entire year. I thought many mentioned on this board and I have heard many people say that Phil got invited but you are saying he did not which makes sense as to why they are attending these qualifiers. Until recently, I thought they had an invite that was 2 years long...

[lvtwft]

Scott has been saying all year that they intended to go to ASA Nationals. Im sure they entered the Premier qualifier to just show they could qualify and shut up the naysayers if they win ASA.

This isn't in my division but when I read this, it was confusing so I thought I'd comment....he hasn't said all year he was going to ASA...

If you read his past posts, he indicated that he was going to Premier and was getting invited again, after being invited last year. Did he get an invite (because I thought invites were posted and weren't participating in the qualifiers) or did he choose to go to ASA after he did not get an invite? Another poster, on this board, asked him if it felt good to tell them to take their Premier berth and shove it so I bet there is a lot more to this story than he was going to ASA all along.

Also, if the Raiders have an invite, why are they playing in these qualifiers as well?? I guess I am confused on the invites...are they posted in full?

Also, ASA has, in the past, also awarded berths if there were not enough teams to play so this happens in both leagues and has happened for years and years. That's why you see teams, my own included, signing up for places like Florida, that look like they will not fill up. It is just a strategy of qualifying...because qualifying isn't as easy as people think....

Is that not the point of playing in a "World Series"? You kind of want the best to go....

[ontheblack]

AM,

I meant this year, 2011. They had an invite last year to play at 16u, I believe.

Back in Feb before the 96s went dark, it was known that he wasnt going to Premier, but intended to go to ASA. That was also before invites were extended to certain 14u teams.

I dont know for sure, but I believe he also had an invite this year when they were extended to certain 14u teams, but declined. I dont believe he elected to go ASA because he felt slighted by PGF. If you go back and read Charlie's earlier post, he appeared surprised to hear that PS96 was entered into Premier. I dont see it any different than CA Lockman playing States even though they had a berth to Premier in hand and had no intention of playing ASA.

[Chocolate Thunder]

Does anyone,have any scores from no-cal?

[PDad]

Does anyone,have any scores from no-cal?

They are updating the brackets on the PGF website.

http://www.grapettes.com/11brackets/14U ... b_elim.pdf
http://www.grapettes.com/11brackets/16U ... b_elim.pdf
http://www.grapettes.com/11brackets/hs_ ... b_elim.pdf