Be serious - No one is worse than Bruder.
I wouldn't even put Stan in the same category.
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Stan gets away with this stuff because the parents on his team let him. Sounds like the people down in Rancho Bernardo didn't and i'm sure they're glad he's gone. I believe CTS lost all but one of their games this weekend. Many of us have seen the talent...and it's not all that bad. His supporters come on here and say what a great guy he is and what a good coach he is....but do they ever think that we have all seen him in action??? The yelling, the language, the way he embarrasses his players, the way he handles the umpires and the way he DOESN'T handle losing. Those kids don't repect him...they are scared to death.
CTS parents...you either don't know better or you are flat out stupid! Why else do you put up with this??? PLEASE don't tell me it's because he's a great coach
The teams that beat you this weekend...were those coaches yelling and SCREAMING at their players? I promise you, it's not a necessity!
Sorry, JMO
CTS parents...you either don't know better or you are flat out stupid! Why else do you put up with this??? PLEASE don't tell me it's because he's a great coach
The teams that beat you this weekend...were those coaches yelling and SCREAMING at their players? I promise you, it's not a necessity!Sorry, JMO
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All-American SB wrote:Be serious - No one is worse than Bruder.
I wouldn't even put Stan in the same category.
a few weeks ago we were in a 14u friendly that bruder's 12u team was in, playing up.
i happened to be walking by his game as he was coaching 3rd. i had never seen him in action, so i stopped for a minute to watch. just then, his runner was thrown out at 2nd base on a steal attempt. as she shuffled slowly by him to their dugout, shoulders slooped, head down, he yells loud enough for everyone within 100 feet to hear: "That's why I don't steal you, you can't run, and you don't know how to slide! Now get in the dugout!"
the poor kid's head and shoulders got lower as she slunk to the dugout...an assistant coach in the dugout had a t-shirt on that on the back had "Philisms", with apparently a bunch of quotes from the famous coach...it was quite a 1st impression...
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artomatic wrote:All-American SB wrote:Be serious - No one is worse than Bruder.
I wouldn't even put Stan in the same category.
a few weeks ago we were in a 14u friendly that bruder's 12u team was in, playing up.
i happened to be walking by his game as he was coaching 3rd. i had never seen him in action, so i stopped for a minute to watch. just then, his runner was thrown out at 2nd base on a steal attempt. as she shuffled slowly by him to their dugout, shoulders slooped, head down, he yells loud enough for everyone within 100 feet to hear: "That's why I don't steal you, you can't run, and you don't know how to slide! Now get in the dugout!"
the poor kid's head and shoulders got lower as she slunk to the dugout...an assistant coach in the dugout had a t-shirt on that on the back had "Philisms", with apparently a bunch of quotes from the famous coach...it was quite a 1st impression...
Yeah. He and Skarp would have had a very intimate discussion if that was my kid.
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I have been on both sides of this, as a player and a coach, so I would like to comment. My travel coach (when I played Gold) never yelled. When he said "Good Grief" you know you were in hot water. I loved this man to death without the yelling. I personally could not play for a coach that yelled all the time but that is only one player's perspective; others love it for motivation.
When I went to college, I couldn't understand how anyone could play for Phil and despised the Raiders but the players I know that have played for him, LOVED him. They were team players, coached well, and aggressive, which is what every players needs to be at that level. There is NO argument that Phil knows the game at a whole different level and maybe he is totally different at practice and the players understand that.
Maybe he is yelling because he has high expectations and wants his kids to be their best. The parents never understand but his players did. The players know he's not a mean guy 100% of the time or he wouldn't get players. I have seen him coach and talk to his players. He teaches them before he yells.
Only the strong survive on that team but that's the way it is in life. I think analyzing WHEN the screaming is going on is the best point I can make. Is it after physical errors? Is it for performance? That is different than yelling at a kid because you have told her the same thing 10 times and she still is doing it wrong. Now, as a coach, I'm yelling at that point so I completely understand it.
How many parents yell at their kids after they have told them something over and over? How many times have you told your kid to go brush their teeth? Clean heir room? A LOT! So now, the parent raises their voice to let the child know, this is unacceptable. FOCUS! A coach is the same figure and needs to get on them when they aren't focused.
If someone would have seen me this weekend, I'd be on the anger management list again but my players know, I yell when mentally, they are not focused. Obviously, they need me to yell and wake them up. They deserve it and while some think coaches like this are insane, I think the people that think you can coach effectively without yelling are insane. Especially in this day and age.
Demeaning kids, cursing kids out, switching players if they make a physical error, etc. are all rude to me and I would not put up with that from any coach. I can understand that. But getting on kids for mental mistakes is a must and often times yelling gets the point across. I try not to single out players but I go off on the team first. Then, start pulling players one on one so they don't get embarrassed.
I don't know the person that we are talking about but I do know that people think the same of many great coaches I know, including myself. Perspective from the players is the ONLY thing that should matter. Motivating players, however you do it, is all that matters.
When I went to college, I couldn't understand how anyone could play for Phil and despised the Raiders but the players I know that have played for him, LOVED him. They were team players, coached well, and aggressive, which is what every players needs to be at that level. There is NO argument that Phil knows the game at a whole different level and maybe he is totally different at practice and the players understand that.
Maybe he is yelling because he has high expectations and wants his kids to be their best. The parents never understand but his players did. The players know he's not a mean guy 100% of the time or he wouldn't get players. I have seen him coach and talk to his players. He teaches them before he yells.
Only the strong survive on that team but that's the way it is in life. I think analyzing WHEN the screaming is going on is the best point I can make. Is it after physical errors? Is it for performance? That is different than yelling at a kid because you have told her the same thing 10 times and she still is doing it wrong. Now, as a coach, I'm yelling at that point so I completely understand it.
How many parents yell at their kids after they have told them something over and over? How many times have you told your kid to go brush their teeth? Clean heir room? A LOT! So now, the parent raises their voice to let the child know, this is unacceptable. FOCUS! A coach is the same figure and needs to get on them when they aren't focused.
If someone would have seen me this weekend, I'd be on the anger management list again but my players know, I yell when mentally, they are not focused. Obviously, they need me to yell and wake them up. They deserve it and while some think coaches like this are insane, I think the people that think you can coach effectively without yelling are insane. Especially in this day and age.
Demeaning kids, cursing kids out, switching players if they make a physical error, etc. are all rude to me and I would not put up with that from any coach. I can understand that. But getting on kids for mental mistakes is a must and often times yelling gets the point across. I try not to single out players but I go off on the team first. Then, start pulling players one on one so they don't get embarrassed.
I don't know the person that we are talking about but I do know that people think the same of many great coaches I know, including myself. Perspective from the players is the ONLY thing that should matter. Motivating players, however you do it, is all that matters.
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artomatic wrote:All-American SB wrote:Be serious - No one is worse than Bruder.
I wouldn't even put Stan in the same category.
a few weeks ago we were in a 14u friendly that bruder's 12u team was in, playing up.
i happened to be walking by his game as he was coaching 3rd. i had never seen him in action, so i stopped for a minute to watch. just then, his runner was thrown out at 2nd base on a steal attempt. as she shuffled slowly by him to their dugout, shoulders slooped, head down, he yells loud enough for everyone within 100 feet to hear: "That's why I don't steal you, you can't run, and you don't know how to slide! Now get in the dugout!"
the poor kid's head and shoulders got lower as she slunk to the dugout...an assistant coach in the dugout had a t-shirt on that on the back had "Philisms", with apparently a bunch of quotes from the famous coach...it was quite a 1st impression...
Yes, I disagree with taking it to that point but maybe he has told her to work on running and sliding and she's not? Who knows? I just think it is hard when you only see a few games and not every game. I have seen Phil calm in games and go crazy as a player and a coach.
He does get on them for mental stuff. There was a girl who was up and hadn't even got her helmet on and was basically running up to the plate. He yelled at her after she got out that " no wonder she got out, she didn't even know she was up." I found myself laughing because it was true. Mentally, she was not there.
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yes, it was just a 2 minute impression, but i can tell you the kid i saw was not motivated, judging by her body language.
i just dont think a 12 yr old girl should be conditioned to think it's ok for an adult male to verbally abuse her. sounds dramatic, but you said it yourself, these coaches are a big part of these girls' lives and a huge influence.
i just dont think a 12 yr old girl should be conditioned to think it's ok for an adult male to verbally abuse her. sounds dramatic, but you said it yourself, these coaches are a big part of these girls' lives and a huge influence.
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AM Softball wrote:I have been on both sides of this, as a player and a coach, so I would like to comment. My travel coach (when I played Gold) never yelled. When he said "Good Grief" you know you were in hot water. I loved this man to death without the yelling. I personally could not play for a coach that yelled all the time but that is only one player's perspective; others love it for motivation.
When I went to college, I couldn't understand how anyone could play for Phil and despised the Raiders but the players I know that have played for him, LOVED him. They were team players, coached well, and aggressive, which is what every players needs to be at that level. There is NO argument that Phil knows the game at a whole different level and maybe he is totally different at practice and the players understand that.
Maybe he is yelling because he has high expectations and wants his kids to be their best. The parents never understand but his players did. The players know he's not a mean guy 100% of the time or he wouldn't get players. I have seen him coach and talk to his players. He teaches them before he yells.
Only the strong survive on that team but that's the way it is in life. I think analyzing WHEN the screaming is going on is the best point I can make. Is it after physical errors? Is it for performance? That is different than yelling at a kid because you have told her the same thing 10 times and she still is doing it wrong. Now, as a coach, I'm yelling at that point so I completely understand it.
How many parents yell at their kids after they have told them something over and over? How many times have you told your kid to go brush their teeth? Clean heir room? A LOT! So now, the parent raises their voice to let the child know, this is unacceptable. FOCUS! A coach is the same figure and needs to get on them when they aren't focused.
If someone would have seen me this weekend, I'd be on the anger management list again but my players know, I yell when mentally, they are not focused. Obviously, they need me to yell and wake them up. They deserve it and while some think coaches like this are insane, I think the people that think you can coach effectively without yelling are insane. Especially in this day and age.
Demeaning kids, cursing kids out, switching players if they make a physical error, etc. are all rude to me and I would not put up with that from any coach. I can understand that. But getting on kids for mental mistakes is a must and often times yelling gets the point across. I try not to single out players but I go off on the team first. Then, start pulling players one on one so they don't get embarrassed.
I don't know the person that we are talking about but I do know that people think the same of many great coaches I know, including myself. Perspective from the players is the ONLY thing that should matter. Motivating players, however you do it, is all that matters.
Pretty much agree with all of that, but I would say that a good coach should have multiple methods of motivation, and browbeating should be option of last resort.
And belittling some kid because she doesn't run fast enough for you?? That ain't gonna fly.
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I do not have a problem with a coach yelling. I have been coaching for many years myself and get frustrated when things I have been going over in practice are not being implemented in the games. The problem I have is when a coach is disrespectful to a girl and trys to intimidate them. All this does is damage the girl mentally and is not helpfull.
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Does yelling at your co-workers motivate them...probably not , just makes them hate you. The mistakes made at work often times are inexcusable. We are dealing with well paid adults that have years of training. Chances are the kid made the mistake because they just don't get it. Teaching sports is like teaching algebra...some get it in the 5th grade others aren't ready until the 9th or beyond. My suggestion...pick on somebody your own size.
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