Which of these two softball hotbeds has more talent?

[anonlooker]

And to use a sampling of only one year is meaningless. Go back a few years and let us know how San Diego has fared this century.

[bugs]

Travel

1. Los Angeles County: 2 teams, 11 points
2. San Diego County: 1 team, 10 points
3. Riverside County: 2 teams, 8 points
4. Orange County: 1 team 7 points

Rec

1. Ventura County: 3 teams, 19 points
2. Orange County: 2 teams, 13 points
3. San Diego County: 2 teams, 12 points
4. Riverside County: 1 team, 6 points
5. Los Angeles County: 2 teams, 5 points

Total:

1. San Diego County: 3 teams, 22 points
2. Orange County: 3 teams, 20 points
3. Ventura County: 3 teams, 19 points
4. Los Angeles County: 4 teams, 16 points
5. Riverside County: 3 teams, 14 points

Add in the 12u Ozone from San Diego County winning USSSA Nationals

And a big Add In with the 12u Chula Vista Boys from San Diego County winning the Little League World Series.

Must be something in the water in San Diego County.

[SoCal Breakers]

S.D. Mystic won westerns too.Last year San Diego had the best 12u teams,who knows whats going to happen this year way to early. From what i see it's going to be pretty even.

[sportzjunky]

OC, OC, OC.... thats where the great players migrate to in mass because of training, competition and exposure.

Some great teams from SD no doubt, and even the SD Renegades Org is one of the best in So Cal from 12U-18G IMO. And I loved watching that group of Mystic 93 girls... Nice kids who play the game having alot of fun... But, fastpitch pound for pound, you cant deny the year after year success' of Firecrackers, OC Batbusters, Victory USA, So Cal & American Athletics and I am probably forgetting a couple more... JMO.

edited out Riverside County orgs CA & MG,,,, I think.... thats maybe part of my issue.. once on the south side of the 605 its all the same to me....

[JustWondering]

Travel

1. Los Angeles County: 2 teams, 11 points
2. San Diego County: 1 team, 10 points
3. Riverside County: 2 teams, 8 points
4. Orange County: 1 team 7 points

Rec

1. Ventura County: 3 teams, 19 points
2. Orange County: 2 teams, 13 points
3. San Diego County: 2 teams, 12 points
4. Riverside County: 1 team, 6 points
5. Los Angeles County: 2 teams, 5 points

Total:

1. San Diego County: 3 teams, 22 points
2. Orange County: 3 teams, 20 points
3. Ventura County: 3 teams, 19 points
4. Los Angeles County: 4 teams, 16 points
5. Riverside County: 3 teams, 14 points

Add in the 12u Ozone from San Diego County winning USSSA Nationals

And a big Add In with the 12u Chula Vista Boys from San Diego County winning the Little League World Series.

Must be something in the water in San Diego County.

Softball, not baseball. If it was, the TCS Champions in baseball Oakley Stingrays would destroy the chula vista team that does not even know how to lead off and steal.

[GSB]

San Diego must be doing something right -- their kids brought home both A and B Titles this year. Using a scoring system like that used at track meets, San Diego county they beat Orange county in travel ball this year in 12U. Orange County beat San Diego in Rec Allstar ball. tie goes to the strength in Travel. For that matter LA County beat Orange County and every other county in Travel ball ....

2009 ASA Girls Fastpitch 12U A

1st POWER SURGE 96 San Diego., CA 7-0 San Diego County
2nd SO CAL JYNX West Covina., CA 6-2 Los Angeles County
3rd 96 TEXAS FUSION Grapevine., TX 7-2
4th FIRECRACKERS 96 Laguna Hills., CA 5-2 Orange County
5th 96 DIAMONDS Seagoville., TX 4-2
5th FROST COMETS 96 Hazel Green., TN 7-2
7th REVENGE 96 Rancho Cucamonga., CA 4-2 Riverside County
7th CORONA ANGELS-KNIGHTEN Corona., CA 5-2 Riverside County
9th LADY LASERS BLACK Delaware., OH 4-2
9th CALIFORNIA REBELS Bellflower., CA 3-2 Los Angeles County
9th 96 AZ KILLER BEES Mesa., AZ 6-2
9th 96 TEXAS BOMBERS San Antonio., TX 5-2

Using the scoring employed at track meets, 10 for first, 9 for second place, etc. the strongest Counties in Softball are:

1. Los Angeles County: 2 teams, 11 points
2. San Diego County: 1 team, 10 points
3. Riverside County: 2 teams, 8 points
4. Orange County: 1 team 7 points

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2009 ASA Girls Fastpitch 12U B

1st BONITA VALLEY Chula Vista., CA 11-1 San Diego County
2nd TRANSFORMERS Huntington Beach., CA 5-2 Orange County
3rd SANTA PAULA ASA Santa Paula., CA 5-2 Ventura County
4th SIMI VALLEY GOLD DIGGERS Simi Valley., CA 7-2 Ventura County
5th RIVERSIDE PRIDE Riverside., CA 4-2 Riverside County
5th MOORPARK GOLD Moorpark., CA 4-2 Ventura County
7th LOS ALAMITOS Los Alamitos., CA 4-2 Orange County
7th CHINO GOLD Ontario., CA 3-2 Los Angeles County
9th PLEASANTON PHANTOM Pleasanton., CA 3-2 in another state
9th LOMPOC SMASHERS Lompoc., CA 3-2
9th NORTH SHORE GOLD San Diego., CA 5-2 San Diego County
9th WILLIAM S HART Santa Clarita., CA 4-2 Los Angeles County

Using the scoring employed at track meets, 10 for first, 9 for second place, etc., the strongest counties in Rec Allstar ball are:

1. Ventura County: 3 teams, 19 points
2. Orange County: 2 teams, 13 points
3. San Diego County: 2 teams, 12 points
4. Riverside County: 1 team, 6 points
5. Los Angeles County: 2 teams, 5 points

I don't know if you call a team a Los Angeles team when more then half of the team is from OC. I believe the Corona Angles, California Rebels and So Cal Jynx are made up of mostly OC girls. I believe Power Surge has a few as well. So, using your point system, OC wins. LOL

[Popsof4]

I agree OC has more talent based on having more teams and players. However, San Diego certainly belongs in the conversation when you consider their good teams are REALLY GOOD. For examle...So Cal Breakers, San Diego Aztecs97, Renegades97, Renegades95, TNL95, Power Surge96, etc.

The only good SD teams you mentioned above are TNL95 and PS96. I have a little love for Renegades, only because we have some friends there, but overall none of the others are worthy enough to be in the same sentence as TNL95 or PS96.

Don't get me wrong, San Diego does have some talented players, but winning Nationals in 12u does not come close to qualifing as the city with the most talent.

JMO

[FatSBDaddy]

To Dunnin LA: Rancho Cucamonga is in the heart of San Bernardino County,
not even close to being in Riverside Co. Please re-run your Track Meet System
Point Calculation Metrics program, and report the new results to us.

[FatSBDaddy]

So you're going on the assumption that 12u is the benchmark?

It's the last year where kids tend to play within their own counties and not travel across counties to play on Gold teams....

I don't mean to pick on you DunninLA (my grandfather bled Dodger Blue),
but there's some contradictory evidence to your belief that 12U teams purely represent
the county that the team is nominally based in. Two years ago, our (well-known) 10U team
had players from 3 counties (SB, LA, OC). This year, as a 2nd yr 12U team, the same core
team has players from 4 counties (added Riverside to the list). I'm not sure that team
standings in tournaments can be used to gauge a county's strength in producing players.
On top of that, shouldn't you be weighting the number of players by the counties' population ?

[hotwheels]

I agree OC has more talent based on having more teams and players. However, San Diego certainly belongs in the conversation when you consider their good teams are REALLY GOOD. For examle...So Cal Breakers, San Diego Aztecs97, Renegades97, Renegades95, TNL95, Power Surge96, etc.

The only good SD teams you mentioned above are TNL95 and PS96. I have a little love for Renegades, only because we have some friends there, but overall none of the others are worthy enough to be in the same sentence as TNL95 or PS96.

Don't get me wrong, San Diego does have some talented players, but winning Nationals in 12u does not come close to qualifing as the city with the most talent.

JMO

Exactly right....One or two teams in each age group doesn't make a city....

This is funny because OC wins this hands down....I'm not even from OC although 99% of my Corona neighbors will tell you we are in OC and not the IE......

At least I can claim that I work in OC and we play most of our games there!!.....Yeah that's it.....I AM FROM THE OC....