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by snoopygrl » Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:18 am

This is a scoring question. The ball is bunted, the pitcher fields the ball, turns to throw to first and there is no one there to receive the throw. The runner would have been out if the throw was made. Is this charged as a base hit against the pitcher or as an error against the 2nd baseman for not getting to the base?
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by UmpSteve » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:12 am

snoopygrl wrote:This is a scoring question. The ball is bunted, the pitcher fields the ball, turns to throw to first and there is no one there to receive the throw. The runner would have been out if the throw was made. Is this charged as a base hit against the pitcher or as an error against the 2nd baseman for not getting to the base?


Base hit; all day, every day. Mental errors and errors by omission are not scored errors.

Double jeopardy; if the pitcher threw the ball anyway, it would be E1.
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by snoopygrl » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:53 am

Thanks. We saw this on the ncaa website and it was a bit confusing:

4.21.3 An error shall be charged against any fielder when she catches a thrown ball or fields a ground ball in time to put out any runner on a force play and fails to tag the base or the runner, including a batter-runner on a play at first base.

Personally I think mental errors should count past a certain age my that's just me.
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by PDad » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:09 pm

snoopygrl wrote:Thanks. We saw this on the ncaa website and it was a bit confusing:

4.21.3 An error shall be charged against any fielder when she catches a thrown ball or fields a ground ball in time to put out any runner on a force play and fails to tag the base or the runner, including a batter-runner on a play at first base.

That's not applicable because the pitcher didn't have the opportunity to tag the base or the runner. That rule covers a fielder that is in position to make the put out, but doesn't.

The applicable rule for your case is:

14.3 Base Hit
A base hit is credited to a batter when she advances to a base safely:
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14.3.12 When no one covers the base or a fielder is late in covering the base.
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by jonriv » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:20 am

The worst is when during a stolen base attempt the catcher throws a "strike" to second base only to have it missed by a late arriving shortstop or second baseman- error catcher :o
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by snoopygrl » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:49 am

Very true. It is very hard when the right play is made and someone is not where they are supposed to be. It is even worse on a pitcher because this goes as a base hit against her in the score book. Not a bunt that was fielded but the second baseman didn't cover first! ;) As we have told our player before, you can only control your actions, not the actions of others!
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by PDad » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:52 pm

jonriv wrote:The worst is when during a stolen base attempt the catcher throws a "strike" to second base only to have it missed by a late arriving shortstop or second baseman- error catcher :o

That wouldn't result in E2 on a good team - CF would keep the runner from advancing to 3B.
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by jonriv » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:00 pm

PDad wrote:
jonriv wrote:The worst is when during a stolen base attempt the catcher throws a "strike" to second base only to have it missed by a late arriving shortstop or second baseman- error catcher :o

That wouldn't result in E2 on a good team - CF would keep the runner from advancing to 3B.



Not if the runner does not advance, but the scorer gives second on the error(which is what happened)
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by PDad » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:09 pm

jonriv wrote:
PDad wrote:
jonriv wrote:The worst is when during a stolen base attempt the catcher throws a "strike" to second base only to have it missed by a late arriving shortstop or second baseman- error catcher :o

That wouldn't result in E2 on a good team - CF would keep the runner from advancing to 3B.

Not if the runner does not advance, but the scorer gives second on the error(which is what happened)

That's an error on the scorekeeper.
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by jonriv » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:17 pm

That's what I said :D
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