USA Jr National Team-ASA

[fastpitchdad05]

It is great reading threads like this and how everyone wants PGF to take over.. then in a few years when PGF has.. people will whine and complain until a new org comes along and is the new and improved new kid on the block.


just go play softball at the highest level you can.

Maybe. But I'd rather have a choice and hope that I can pick the better choice rather than be stuck with the same old regime. And then if I don't make the right choice I'd like to be able to voice my opinion and hope for (and who knows maybe even affect) a change.

Welcome to America...

[Informal]

It is great reading threads like this and how everyone wants PGF to take over.. then in a few years when PGF has.. people will whine and complain until a new org comes along and is the new and improved new kid on the block.


just go play softball at the highest level you can.

Do you long for the days when AT&T was the only player in long distance?
I know I miss the days of having no choice... And paying $2.00 a minute
To talk to my friend who lived 30 miles away.

[DunninLA]

Do you long for the days when AT&T was the only player in long distance?
I know I miss the days of having no choice... And paying $2.00 a minute
To talk to my friend who lived 30 miles away.

That's true. As late as 1988, a call from LA to San Francisco on AT&T cost about $2 per minute, and that was in full minute rounding... i.e. 1:15 cost $4.

Competition makes everybody better. It cures laziness, indifference, and incompetence very quickly.

[AlwaysImprove]

Sounds like the perfect opportunity for PGF to form a Junior National Team with tryouts open to any female who is age-eligible. Then, issue a challenge to ASA's versions.....any time, any day, anywhere.....

Exactly. Big undertaking, but given PGF's desire to make things right in the sport, and ASA's up yours attitude, it is the only logical conclusion.

What will be the common line of defense from the ASA faithful when this starts to roll out?

[jonriv]

This thread has taken some interesting twist and has provide some interesting ideas.

The first thing I would like to suggest is that we drop the "inferior team" argument. Although by excluding many of the players that may or may not be excluded by ASA's new policy may produce a team that my not be as good as it could be- the team will still be far superior that it's opponents.

The real arguments are these:

1) Does ASA have the legal right to impose these rules?

2) Should ASA impose these rules?

I think the answer to question 1 is probably yes(unfortunately)

The answer to question 2 is HELL NO.

It was dumb on many fronts for ASA's decision. Bad PR, poor sportsmanship and making a selection process that is so exclusive it excludes possible candidate even from ASA registered teams. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb......

but, i would like to know how many HB posters have emailed the guy from ASA? How many cared about NSA, PONY, USSSA etc prior to this??


I like the idea of basing invitations on college coach recommendation. They get to see all of the top players and certainly could supply an ample number of quite qualified candidates. Poll 100 college coaches and ask for their top 5- pitchers, catchers, infield and outfield- pretty sure we could find a team from that.

As far as PGF forming an all-star to compete- do they have the financial ability to field and send a junior team. Does the ISF allow for two teams(or a way to usurp a team) from the same country?- Perhaps a team from the Republic of California or the Republic of Texas? Anyone know what ISF's policies are.

Also- why would the USOC even care about softball now- since it is not an olympic sport.

ASA needs to change their policy and have one that opens invites to a greater pool of qualified players

[PDad]

This thread has taken some interesting twist and has provide some interesting ideas.

The first thing I would like to suggest is that we drop the "inferior team" argument. Although by excluding many of the players that may or may not be excluded by ASA's new policy may produce a team that my not be as good as it could be- the team will still be far superior that it's opponents.

We shall see about that. Perhaps the best thing to get ASA to open up the player pool is for their team to struggle.

I like the idea of basing invitations on college coach recommendation. They get to see all of the top players and certainly could supply an ample number of quite qualified candidates. Poll 100 college coaches and ask for their top 5- pitchers, catchers, infield and outfield- pretty sure we could find a team from that.

I'd pick coaches from the top programs in the West (PAC 12), Midwest (Big Ten), Southwest (Big 12), South (SEC) and Northeast (Big East).

As far as PGF forming an all-star to compete- do they have the financial ability to field and send a junior team. Does the ISF allow for two teams(or a way to usurp a team) from the same country?- Perhaps a team from the Republic of California or the Republic of Texas? Anyone know what ISF's policies are.

Wow, you sure missed that one. The suggestion was PGF forming a team to challenge the ASA team for the USA berth to ISF. Rather than winner take all, I'd prefer making final selections based on a series of games between the 2 teams. It would be just as unfair to exclude players from ASA's team if PGF won - the players weren't involved in making the policy.

Also- why would the USOC even care about softball now- since it is not an olympic sport.

USOC also oversees the Pan Am Games which still include Baseball and Softball.

ASA needs to change their policy and have one that opens invites to a greater pool of qualified players

Duh!

[AlwaysImprove]

This thread has taken some interesting twist and has provide some interesting ideas.

The first thing I would like to suggest is that we drop the "inferior team" argument. Although by excluding many of the players that may or may not be excluded by ASA's new policy may produce a team that my not be as good as it could be- the team will still be far superior that it's opponents.

The real arguments are these:

1) Does ASA have the legal right to impose these rules?

2) Should ASA impose these rules?

I think the answer to question 1 is probably yes(unfortunately)

The answer to question 2 is HELL NO.

It was dumb on many fronts for ASA's decision. Bad PR, poor sportsmanship and making a selection process that is so exclusive it excludes possible candidate even from ASA registered teams. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb......

but, i would like to know how many HB posters have emailed the guy from ASA? How many cared about NSA, PONY, USSSA etc prior to this??


I like the idea of basing invitations on college coach recommendation. They get to see all of the top players and certainly could supply an ample number of quite qualified candidates. Poll 100 college coaches and ask for their top 5- pitchers, catchers, infield and outfield- pretty sure we could find a team from that.

As far as PGF forming an all-star to compete- do they have the financial ability to field and send a junior team. Does the ISF allow for two teams(or a way to usurp a team) from the same country?- Perhaps a team from the Republic of California or the Republic of Texas? Anyone know what ISF's policies are.

Also- why would the USOC even care about softball now- since it is not an olympic sport.

ASA needs to change their policy and have one that opens invites to a greater pool of qualified players

You cannot drop the argument that it will create an inferior team. That is basis why ASA looks stupid and will be the undoing of ASA being involved in these decisions. Pulling that off the table will lead them to the predicted posts of surprise, where they claim "no one let them know they were not happy", or "ASA thought they were doing what was best". You are not helping ASA that much with this this twisty spinny approach.

Your last statement is the relevant statement, except I would change it in one way. Whomever runs the JNT better do it in a way that results in the best possible team, or they should be very happy when someone else steps in runs it in a fashion that results in the best possible team. Period, end of story.

[LVTHEGAME]

Simple solution...Priemer has teams out of California that probably registered ASA , its just a few teams in SoCalif that are not. Make this a Sanction ASA Tournament and have the teams not registered register and maybe that will open talk for discussion to make this a place to pick the NJT. Why doesn't their board discuss options.