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by AlwaysImprove » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:09 pm

wichita wrote::

Like my statement says happens very rarely and i do this because high school coach doesnt know what shes doing wrong ....also DD asked school coach if he wanted to go with us to her hitting coach for him to explain what sheis doing ( shes a slapper that also hits for power and shes the first slapper hes coached or true slapper and i mean not a girl that hits right and just goes to the left side and tries to bunt every once in a while ) and he declined and shes the only kid on the team that has a hitting coach so it cant be because he doesnt want to go to everyones lessons. It might sound like im mettleing in the coaches buisness but i assure you i do more with her travel team still not much but more and the coach tells me that i know her better than he does so he doesnt mind .... Seems to be working for us as she hit .640 this fall on a 14U team playing up to 16U.

Your kid needs to learn how to hit without your input. You are not going to be at college. This might be a good time to work on that.
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by playascabbie » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:39 pm

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playascabbie wrote:My DD is a senior this year and is having a miserable experience. Because there is truly no reason that would not cause the "red flag", she is playing. When she came on board as a Freshman, she was joined by two other TB players and they changed the program (P,C,CF). Last year, the team made it to CIF for the first time in the schools history. Each year there are one or two more players that join the team who add strength and experience to the previous rec ball HS team. This year could have been an amazing year BUT saddly, no. Parents are speechless (literately). They know they can't say a word about it or their kid will be next. DD is not allowed to pitch, not batting practice, or drills. Catcher isnt allowed to catch, CF is in right. His pride and joy is self taught and we are now 1-7. Practices are a joke. They hit off a tee or swing at wiffle balls. He is truly threatened by the fact that most of his players have a better understanding of the game than he does. Even DD TB Coaches showed up to a tournament and could not understand what they were saying to the girls or what they were doing. Quarter is coming up and the kid is begging me to let her quit. She already has her work out schedule printed up with all she will do on her own to stay ready and I dont know what to do. Is it hurting her? Yes, she has to pitch....It's those darn "red flags" that have me concerned. All three girls have already signed their NLI. It is just a sad situation, and I keep telling them to dig deeper, work harder and stay in control of what is their's...I know there are life lessons in this, somewhere, but this is tuff. I can't imagine there is a worse HS coach out there, but I'm sure I'm not the only parent who has ever felt this way. Just have to take it one day at a time, it will all be over before we know it.

I am having a hard time understanding the specific red flags. What do you mean his pride and joy is self taught?

Yes there are bad HS coaches, and it no doubt sucks to get one.

There are also bad groups of parents. Every time I hear a set of parents go into the season with a set of expectations, you know exactly how the season will turn out. I have seen no less that 6 major wrecks in teams because parents start out with the 'it is going to be one of those special years' approaches.

My daughter was a freshman, returning stud pitchers parents spent first 4 weeks talking tirelessly about 'how great this year was going to be". Well it went like crap. First sign the season was going to be a challenge, parents and kids all turned on each other. We finished third in the state, but you would have thought we lost every single game, all the carrying on. For our family, show up at the game everyday with a huge smile on. It was one of the greatest years. Some would argue that my daughter was a better pitcher, she saw a lot of time on the bench that year. Did not totally appreciate it at the time, but it was not a complete surprise as they had a lot invested in senior pitcher and she was decent.

Group of parents at another HS had a do nothing coach. There was a group of 4 D1 players all the same age. They tolerated mister do nothing first three years, but as they lined up for their special season, mister do nothing had to go. Well they got misses absolutely a freaking nightmare. This lady was so entirely confused about softball. She somehow became convinced you had to tag up on an overthrow. So a runner would be running from second to third and an outfielder would overthrow the cutoff, maybe even intentionally and the genius coach would stop the runner and demand they go back to second base, where they would be tagged out.

In our area, I would say in our area about 30% of the high school seasons wreck out. I would say of those wrecks 80% are caused by parents, with little or no help from the coach.

That Dog Whisperer guy has a saying, that he stole from the Rolling Stones. "You do not always get the dog that you want, but you always get the dog that you need." This is often said when some crazed dog, behaves like a perfect animal just by moving the pet from the owner to the trained handler. For some owners this creates a moment of enlightenment that they are a bigger source of the problem than the dog. Other owners just never get it.

This applies to most high school seasons. That do nothing coach is teaching you to show up at the field with a big smile, enjoy your evening, let the kids figure out how to compete.


By Red Flags I meant...you can't quit because you don't like the coach..that would imply you could be a problem for the college coach. If you are hurt, why would they invest more money on you. No matter what you do, there is a negative attached to it.

I have no doubt that the rest of the season will be a downward spiral because the coach told them so. Last year they came in 3rd in league, and he told them that this year they will come in 5th if they are lucky. There is no rhyme or reason for this season and the way he is sabotaging the team. No one seems to care, not him, the players or the parents. I'm not used to this kind of environment, but it is what it is. I'm not going to wish the season was over because I have every intention of enjoying watching and cheering on my baby. However, this "teacher/coach" gets an F in my grade book.

JonRiv...like what you had to say and this is definately a test of character and perseverance.
Witchita....best of luck to your DD and keep enjoying the time together. Its gone before you know it
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by playascabbie » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:48 pm

What do you mean his pride and joy is self taught?

The pitcher he has chosen to pitch, is self taught. Both he and the asst coach are her pitching coaches now. Cookies over the plate, with a big glass of milk to go with it. One game had 7 homeruns over the fence. They run suicides for every negative in the game . In three games they had to run 55 suicides (each suicide has 9 cones).

At least the running is good for the legs....

keeping positive lol
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by jonriv » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:23 am

A coach from a nearby HS(who was also DD'd TB coach for 2 years) with A state Championship, state runner-up , several conf championships along with over 10 years on the job says he still gets crap from parents. he makes them sign a contract at the beginning of the season that says the following:

1) I will not question game decisions
2) I will not call about my daughter's playing time
3) I will not put down other players
4) I will not yell at umpires
5) I must remain 50 feet from dugout
6) No coaching from stands

Before one season of TB he sent an e-mail out to all parents:

1) make sure your kid is at practice
2) don't tell me how good your daughter is-she is not as good as you say- let someone else say how good your daughter is
3) No contact with your daughter during game
4) No yelling at umps
5) Don't tell me how bad your HS coach is and how he/she ruined your daughter- some have worse than you and they do OK
6) We have 11 players- all are good. We have a strict rotation that everyone will sit at least once per tournament. The girls understand this- so should you
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by AlwaysImprove » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:19 am

playascabbie wrote:What do you mean his pride and joy is self taught?

The pitcher he has chosen to pitch, is self taught. Both he and the asst coach are her pitching coaches now. Cookies over the plate, with a big glass of milk to go with it. One game had 7 homeruns over the fence. They run suicides for every negative in the game . In three games they had to run 55 suicides (each suicide has 9 cones).

At least the running is good for the legs....

keeping positive lol

That truly is a very crappy situation. Sorry to hear. Great attitude on working on leg strength. I suspect that you and your DD and her friends are already viewed as an enemy of the state, through no actions of your own.

That situation is very different from a do-nothing coach.
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by Sam » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:33 am

playascabbie wrote:What do you mean his pride and joy is self taught?

The pitcher he has chosen to pitch, is self taught. Both he and the asst coach are her pitching coaches now. Cookies over the plate, with a big glass of milk to go with it. One game had 7 homeruns over the fence. They run suicides for every negative in the game . In three games they had to run 55 suicides (each suicide has 9 cones).

At least the running is good for the legs....

keeping positive lol


Am I the only one who finds this a bit hard to believe?
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by Coach11 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:16 pm

Sam wrote:
playascabbie wrote:What do you mean his pride and joy is self taught?

The pitcher he has chosen to pitch, is self taught. Both he and the asst coach are her pitching coaches now. Cookies over the plate, with a big glass of milk to go with it. One game had 7 homeruns over the fence. They run suicides for every negative in the game . In three games they had to run 55 suicides (each suicide has 9 cones).

At least the running is good for the legs....

keeping positive lol


Am I the only one who finds this a bit hard to believe?


What I'm finding hard to believe is that the coach "knows nothing". Sounds more like certain parents disagree with his methods. There was a comment earlier regarding "just tee work and wiffle balls". Those are two excellent methods of batting practice. Much more can be accomplished in these situations than with conventional "batting practice", where somebody stands in the circle lobbing meatballs over the plate.

But I'm not there, so without more information, I read things as they are offered, and with a grain of salt.
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by xyzdude » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:45 pm

Wichita, no offense meant here but you are doing a bunch of things wrong my friend that will end up hurting your daughter in the long run. You should never speak to her during an at-bat, even to give her key words. In my opinion this is doing two negative things, you are making your voice the one that she hears rather than her own - this will retard her ability to self diagnose her swing which is critical for a good hitter. And you are being "one of those parents" that could scare away the better travel club coaches and hurt her chances to play at the higher levels. The point was made that she should no longer be playing at 14U - especially if she is a talented "varsity" player. Move her up to a very good 16U team (if there is good 16U play in your area) or to an 18U "gold" team where she can begin to get seen by college coaches. You will be surprised that the adjustment to the 18U game may take her a while. It would be good to get that adjustment done this summer so by next fall she can be showing her stuff in front of college coaches. Selecting a team to put her on is another post...

As for high school, back off Dad! Let your daughter handle her own stuff. It is supposed to be about school pride, spirit and playing with her friends. The coach may be a dud, but remember most of them are teachers and at the end of the day it sometimes only takes one great teacher to leave a lasting imprint on a kid (and wipe away the damage done by a lifetime of mediocre teachers). So what if her "great" teacher ends up not to also be her softball coach, it may mean that she gets turned on to biology or english literature or some other subject. Remember that playing softball is her thing now - if you insert yourself into it you will either turn her away from the game or make her reason for playing it tied up in her need to gain daddy's love and affection: both are bad situations. As a father whose children are out of high school, two of whom played or ar playing college level sports, the best thing is to just be there and enjoy the time together. Those are the memories you want to create and hold on to.

Have fun...
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by softballdadcoach » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:42 pm

First off I meant to say she would still be playing rec ball because she wouldn't know there was A ball available I don't push my kids to do any sport.

secondly coach has her bunt, slap, and hit away I'm talking more about if shes swinging away I might say fast hands or something like that if the coach wants her to bunt or slap I'm not going to tell her to swing away or anything like that....... and she does almost all of this on her own


OK--I understand a little better now. I totally agree with your assertion on my #1--just be careful of that extra nudge. My twin DDs have quit TB over the summers (and only play HS ball for fun, camrederie and the pride of representing their school) in favor of rodeo with my brother and sister-in-law. My wife finally led me to the conclusion that it is their life and I can't make them play because it would be my choice.

And I call out encouragement and not coaching when they are batting and try veryhard to keep my thoughts to myself when the coach has them do something different than I would have done.


Enjoy them playing while they want to is my motto the past few years!
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by Fredegar » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:21 pm

PlaysACabbie -- It's no fun if your DD's senior year of softball is miserable. But there are some things you may not have considered.

Your coach told the girls they'd likely finish worse off than they were last year. Could that be based on the talent that graduated, rather than seen as a slight against the 3 stud seniors?

You said they hit off a Tee. As mentioned above, when done right, Tee work is the best way to work on a swing. Hopefully, your girls know enough TB drills to make this worthwhile.

You said your P & C aren't pitching and catching. Could it be that the coach feels he needs his 2 strongest players at other positions? Say Short and 1st? You didn't tell us where they were playing. As for your C, playing another position is saving her knees for a few months. There are worse things. As for your CF, it's good she gets work at the corner OF spots. Many CF's get to college and play one of the corners anyway. As for your P, perhaps if she has the right attitude and asks the coach what she can do to get a few innings here and there, she might be pleasantly surprised. Hopefully, the girls can have fun with the new positions and get the most of it, knowing they're helping the team the way the coach wants.

Lastly, as for the parents being speechless for fear of ruining things for their kids, that's probably how it should be. It's certainly how it will be when those 3 get to college in the Fall. As others have said, hopefully the extra running and the test of perseverence will prove to be beneficial in the long-term.

Good luck and I sincerely hope things improve for the girls on the team.
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