I can't take it anymore

[TheCloser]

We all have opinions on what the rules SHOULD be but with no pull so I say who cares?

[jonriv]

Well of course there are no rules for verbals since the NCAA does not recognize them. Why woul they have rules for something that doesn't exist?

Perfect

[as the world turns]

I know HS freshmen that were verballed by top Div I schools and when they got to college 4 years later had other underclassmen play over them in their position. They played very little if at all. Most of them left the school at the end of the season. Coaches make mistakes in recruiting. It happens.

[ontheblack]

I know HS freshmen that were verballed by top Div I schools and when they got to college 4 years later had other underclassmen play over them in their position. They played very little if at all. Most of them left the school at the end of the season. Coaches make mistakes in recruiting. It happens.

Coaches also hedge their bets.

The single biggest thing that will impact early verbals is the 4 year guarantee. When these early verbals start costing colleges money, they will dial it back. That also assumes parents and the kid ask the right questions prior to the verbal.

[handsinsidetheball]

College football allows for green shirting...Graduating in december of senior year to enroll in chosen college in january to prepare for upcoming spring workouts, learn offense/defense, etc. If kid has late birthday, they commit at 16 and arrive on campus at 17 years old. That kid has been recruited for at least 1-2 years...14/15/16 year old on Varsity...Going to showcase camps, i.e. Elite 11

MLB signs 17 years olds in U.S...16 out of conus.

Check out the ages of the olympic athletes...

I Remember Chris Webber coming out of Detroit Birmingham Country Day High School...Recruited in the 8th grade. Same for Jalen Rose (Detroit Southwestern) and Terrance Roberson (Saginaw Buena Vista), etc. etc.

My point? Early recruiting, verbals and the other dealings involved with recruiting process are pretty much across the board....Not sure why such a big deal is made of it with softball..Like I said, I understand the arguement on both sides..and as others have said, I'm not sold that it is that big of a deal.

And like Spaz said, NCAA must not either, at least up till now, cause it is not recognized or regulated.

[jonriv]

College football allows for green shirting...Graduating in december of senior year to enroll in chosen college in january to prepare for upcoming spring workouts, learn offense/defense, etc. If kid has late birthday, they commit at 16 and arrive on campus at 17 years old. That kid has been recruited for at least 1-2 years...14/15/16 year old on Varsity...Going to showcase camps, i.e. Elite 11

MLB signs 17 years olds in U.S...16 out of conus.

Check out the ages of the olympic athletes...

I Remember Chris Webber coming out of Detroit Birmingham Country Day High School...Recruited in the 8th grade. Same for Jalen Rose (Detroit Southwestern) and Terrance Roberson (Saginaw Buena Vista), etc. etc.

My point? Early recruiting, verbals and the other dealings involved with recruiting process are pretty much across the board....Not sure why such a big deal is made of it with softball..Like I said, I understand the arguement on both sides..and as others have said, I'm not sold that it is that big of a deal.

And like Spaz said, NCAA must not either, at least up till now, cause it is not recognized or regulated.

I think Spaz was being sarcastic

[bart16761]

I got this in my email today. My daughter and I participated in a free seminar that Kim gave on line about recruiting it was interesting and helpful for newbies like me. Anyway I though this might throw a little fire on this already hot topice,
Be well

What does it mean? New NCAA recruiting rules
From Kim Gwydir, Founder FPOS


With the New Year the NCAA, in an attempt to streamline its voluminous recruiting rules, instituted rule changes that will take effect in the upcoming months. After reviewing the changes, two revisions stand out to me regarding Division I. There were multiple proposals implemented but below are two I believe are important to focus on:

#1 - Eliminates restrictions on methods and modes of communication during the allowed recruiting dates (after July 1 between junior and senior year).

So in theory, a player can begin receiving daily, if not hourly, texts from a coach. Will this overwhelm the player? Will it create a frenzy to be the coach who "shows the most love?"

I do not see this rule change effecting how the top players are recruited in any major way. At this time, the players who are considered the top young prospects in 8th, 9th and 10th grade are many times verbally committed before their junior year. In softball unlike other sports, once a player verbally commits there is a hands off policy by other college coaches. This is an unofficial code of conduct for softball coaches and is not an official rule. The "late bloomers", who do not make it onto the radar of college coaches until later (junior year), may see an increase in communication but many schools will already have players committed making these openings a small percentage.

#2 - Eliminates the restrictions on the number of coaches who can be out recruiting at one time.

This rule change has the potential to have a major impact. At this time, no matter the staffing of the school, only 2 coaches can be out recruiting at anytime. In the near future, a school that has 3 full time coaches can have them all out recruiting at the same time and evaluate more players than a smaller budget school.

These changes have the potential to create a bigger divide between the "have" and "have not" schools. For example, big budget schools have the staff and the money to take advantage of these rules. Already you are seeing mid major and smaller schools bypassing the universally considered top prospects and looking for the late bloomers. Coaching at a mid-major myself for many years, I found myself changing how I recruited a player after the "big schools" starting recruiting her. I could not compete from a facility, equipment and support perspective.

As with any change, it will take time to measure and see the effects. Are we moving farther away from a "level playing field"? Within Division 1 softball there has never been a level playing field when it comes to recruiting. Will these new rules only widen the gap? Will these changes be a positive or negative for the players being recruited?

[jonriv]

College football allows for green shirting...Graduating in december of senior year to enroll in chosen college in january to prepare for upcoming spring workouts, learn offense/defense, etc. If kid has late birthday, they commit at 16 and arrive on campus at 17 years old. That kid has been recruited for at least 1-2 years...14/15/16 year old on Varsity...Going to showcase camps, i.e. Elite 11

MLB signs 17 years olds in U.S...16 out of conus.

Check out the ages of the olympic athletes...

I Remember Chris Webber coming out of Detroit Birmingham Country Day High School...Recruited in the 8th grade. Same for Jalen Rose (Detroit Southwestern) and Terrance Roberson (Saginaw Buena Vista), etc. etc.

My point? Early recruiting, verbals and the other dealings involved with recruiting process are pretty much across the board....Not sure why such a big deal is made of it with softball..Like I said, I understand the arguement on both sides..and as others have said, I'm not sold that it is that big of a deal.

And like Spaz said, NCAA must not either, at least up till now, cause it is not recognized or regulated.

I think Spaz was being sarcastic

No I wasn't. NCAA does not recognize verbals therefore there are no rules for them.

Sorry- thought you were since you said they don't exist when we all know they do.

Well of course there are no rules for verbals since the NCAA does not recognize them. Why would they have rules for something that doesn't exist?

Just because the NCAA has avoided regulating this does not make it right.

I had a guy in a Bank I managed a few years ago say to me "I don't believe in ATMs" I said "But sir, they exist- there's one right over there!"

[Sam]

What's an ATM?

[Trophy Hunter]

What's an ATM?

A machine at banks (and other places) that dispenses $20 bills. (and sometimes other denominations) most people with bank accounts have been using them for years.