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by DonnieS » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:13 pm

bruisedshin wrote: When I see a travel ball coach pointlessly arguing with the umpires over every call, or demonstrating poor sportsmanship in general, I have a choice not to have my kid play for that coach.



Yes, I was mocking you to some extent but what you are saying here - about the arguing every call, being ejected from games , - dont walk - run away. Early on, my youngest was invited onto a team that had placed very well the year before - I was asked to asst. coach. We joined - at the invite - that day. About 3 months into this, every where we went, every one thought I was the head coach because he was usually ejected early and had to watch from the car. My dd wanted to quit mid -season but I , right or wrong, told her that we had committed through natls and we could leave the day after. (which we did).

I remember going to the ASA tournament coaches meeting and the directors called out my team name and said 'we want to speak to the xxx team coaches after the meeting'. I went - and got dressed down really bad about 'we are not going to put up with your behavior, etc etc etc'. I just said 'Yes sir I understand ' about 10 times. Three or four games into the tournament, the TDs came up and apologized to me - I said 'comes with the territory'.

The things you should watch out for in my opinion is that kind of coach, not the signal stuff, anyway, i have never seen or heard of a coach going through that stuff, thats usually the girls doing that. I have since also seen one more thing - in high school ball - where a kid who goes long a lot, would be HBP over and over. I saw the pitcher - after the coach had obviously signaled it to the pitcher or catcher - attempt to argue it - but give up and go ahead. I record most games - I rarely ever watch them anymore, but thats how I saw this one so plain. But 3 out of 4 at bats for the one kid, she got hbp.
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by Sid Barrett » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:44 pm

I might be in the minority on this issue, but I believe there is a legitimate place in UPPER level baseball and softball for throwing at the batter. However, not being able to keep a batter in the yard because she goes deep every time she steps in, is not one of them. Tell your pitcher to throw her best stuff...and if her best isn't good enough, than give her four wide ones.
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by Gone in 2.6 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:36 pm

onlooker wrote:
Skooter wrote:Its part of the game.

Its only bush when yelled out loud, especially by a fan(poser).

It should be done inconspicuously. And yes its easy to defend simply by the catcher moving late or not at all.
Good pitchers know their spots in their sleep...ie don't need a target.


i agree with all of this...thought I would add to this though,

When the Gold Medal Olympic catcher Jenny Topping coaching at first base does this on every pitch (loudly) for Team Cali 12U on a saturday in an ASA trny (I didnt witness it on a sunday, I did on a saturday).....is this considered bush too?

I have to think the answer is yes, withoug a doubt. curious how it will now be handled since she is doing it (or has done it) this fall.


I never gave a crap what the other team was doing. If they want to steal signs and tip location fine. If a former Olympian wants to make an ass out of herself to win an all important 12U game ( :lol: ), who am I to complain? Who fricken cares how they run their team, that's their business.

My only concern was the team my kid was playing on. At 14u or younger if any coach tried giving her stolen pitch signals, he/she would have been looking for a new leadoff hitter. I'd rather she learn how to hit the f***ing ball over winning some meaningless trophy when she's 13.
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by jonriv » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:45 pm

Gone in 2.6 wrote:
onlooker wrote:
Skooter wrote:Its part of the game.

Its only bush when yelled out loud, especially by a fan(poser).

It should be done inconspicuously. And yes its easy to defend simply by the catcher moving late or not at all.
Good pitchers know their spots in their sleep...ie don't need a target.


i agree with all of this...thought I would add to this though,

When the Gold Medal Olympic catcher Jenny Topping coaching at first base does this on every pitch (loudly) for Team Cali 12U on a saturday in an ASA trny (I didnt witness it on a sunday, I did on a saturday).....is this considered bush too?

I have to think the answer is yes, withoug a doubt. curious how it will now be handled since she is doing it (or has done it) this fall.



Well said!
I never gave a crap what the other team was doing. If they want to steal signs and tip location fine. If a former Olympian wants to make an ass out of herself to win an all important 12U game ( :lol: ), who am I to complain? Who fricken cares how they run their team, that's their business.

My only concern was the team my kid was playing on. At 14u or younger if any coach tried giving her stolen pitch signals, he/she would have been looking for a new leadoff hitter. I'd rather she learn how to hit the f***ing ball over winning some meaningless trophy when she's 13.
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by GIMNEPIWO » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:19 pm

Gone in 2.6 wrote:
onlooker wrote:
Skooter wrote:Its part of the game.

Its only bush when yelled out loud, especially by a fan(poser).

It should be done inconspicuously. And yes its easy to defend simply by the catcher moving late or not at all.
Good pitchers know their spots in their sleep...ie don't need a target.


i agree with all of this...thought I would add to this though,

When the Gold Medal Olympic catcher Jenny Topping coaching at first base does this on every pitch (loudly) for Team Cali 12U on a saturday in an ASA trny (I didnt witness it on a sunday, I did on a saturday).....is this considered bush too?

I have to think the answer is yes, withoug a doubt. curious how it will now be handled since she is doing it (or has done it) this fall.


I never gave a crap what the other team was doing. If they want to steal signs and tip location fine. If a former Olympian wants to make an ass out of herself to win an all important 12U game ( :lol: ), who am I to complain? Who fricken cares how they run their team, that's their business.

My only concern was the team my kid was playing on. At 14u or younger if any coach tried giving her stolen pitch signals, he/she would have been looking for a new leadoff hitter. I'd rather she learn how to hit the f***ing ball over winning some meaningless trophy when she's 13.


That applies in other areas as well ... The guy who taught me the business I'm in said almost those exact words to me ... He never graduated the 3rd grade but ran a VERY succesful business. I went to work for him at age 12 ... He felt that if you spent too much time paying attention to what your competition was doing that you weren't spending enought time paying attention to what you were doing ...
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by DunninLA » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:23 pm

jonriv wrote:Some batters like to know, many do not.
For the batter who is a "cut the plate in half when even or ahead in the count", knowing inside or outside is a huge benefit. For most hitters, reaction hitters, it is probably a distraction.

Speaking of which, I have always wondered when somebody was going to invent a little mirror inside the bill of the helmet that allowed the batter to watch the catcher move in or out. :mrgreen:
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by Safebyahare » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:25 am

a mirror in the helmet??? in a girls helmet?!!! "of course I'm not watching the ball! I'm lookin at ME!!"
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by ICMTM » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:41 pm

If you're actually good at reading the other team's signs the last thing you want to tell the other team is you know. If you call it what it is (sign reading instead of stealing) it's not a big deal. You can tell someone a curve is coming. They can know and still swing and miss. Just because you know what's coming doesn't mean you can stop the execution of it.
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