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One last thing to respond here, and I am done with this;
Someone made some very interesting comments that I wish to address (her comments are italicized below – my responses are not).
Has made it her life’s work to encourage and develop better catchers and, more importantly, better people. Her intention isn't a plot to get money and it until recent years, you would never have noticed her if she hadn't grown in popularity. You bash her character and her experience like it’s not worthy of anyone listening to a word she says. That perspective alone would mark you as ignorant in my book.
How can you say this, by its very design isn’t all about the money? Let’s see, pack as many kids from all ages and skill level (and whom all have differing problems to remedy, to be their personal best), into one giant groups lesson, teaching the same drills to all of them! We can disagree on this, but when charging people a fee to provide a lesson, I think you have the obligation to teach them where they are deficient.
Before The Packaged Deal (as it seems you also hate due to your hatred for Jen) and this time of digital mass marketing as an alternative way to coach and reach more people, baseball AND softball were dying breeds. The sport needed to be shaken up, not changed from its honest and competitive roots- but GROWN to match our changing society and the attention spans of kids in current times.
I don’t even know how to respond rationally to this malarkey. Softball was a dying breed until Jenn saved the day with the group lessons? You’re joking, right? Shaking up the sport, was her agenda which somehow required her to shove a bunch of kids together in these group lessons, and then throw out a bunch of drills (that may not even be something they need to work on – or there are much more pressing issues they need to address, yet won’t in these groups), and then to throw a fee on it! We are supposed to believe it's not because she wants the money, but because "shaking up the sport for the larger good", is what’s on her mind. Ya, sounds perfectly reasonable!
Jen was not a catcher growing up. She was the top recruit in her class as a third baseman. She moved to the catching position because he was asked to do so by her head-coach late in her career. Her knowledge is based on hard-earned research, case study, and years of trial and error. I would take that knowledge of the game over lab-coat science any day of the week, especially if I had a daughter wanting a role-model and coach.
I think you are treading on dangerous grounds here, when you assume she has actually done some research, well, other than googling catchers drill and dumping an assortment of those into her group lesson arsenal. It doesn’t take an expert, to know that she doesn’t pay attention to the fine details, she doesn’t have an understanding of the countless studies out there on what sell a marginal pitch to an umpire, and what do the best catchers in the world have in common with their set-ups and receiving. You see, there is actual data out there, but these finer details (which will set you apart from the others in a “group”), are too much time consuming work to generate the revenue she is now making. It’s just business and to say it’s not, is naive or dishonest.
The girls get more out of the group lessons than just mechanical skill.
When asked if the girls feel more confident as women and as softball players after a group lesson versus a private lesson, most would pick the group lesson. They believe they benefit in more than you could possibly understand.
You correctly say in this paragraph that they “Believe they benefit”. That’s exactly my point here, they believe they do, but they don’t. So when a college coach comes around and realizes that the catcher in front of her/him, can’t throw a runner out, has bad throwing form, weak arm because of mechanics – but has religiously attended Jenn’s groups sessions for years, do you think the college coach is going to care that she see;s Jenn every week? Of course not. Who gets hurt in this entire “Belief System” you describe? The kids do, when it comes time to perform their best in front of a college coach – and these groups lessons haven’t worked on their individual deficiencies - but the "believed" they would somehow be overcome.
You have no idea of the business model and the poison that you're spreading about how these girls are evil for making money at all could keep some parents from giving their daughter the chance to experience things for themselves. [/i]
Your logic here is flawed. It’s the fiduciary duty for the so-called coach (private, semi-private or mass marketer) to take a vested interest in each paying family and kid as individuals and address their specific deficiencies to assure they are doing what’s best for that specific kid. Scholarships are at stake here and simply believing you can throw a runner out (but can’t), is not going to get you one.
While anyone can see you’re in a blind rage and all of this is a clear attack on Jen (for what ever reason you’ve blown up in your mind), you have valid thoughts that really just come down to opinion.
people that believe that teamwork matters, that chemistry creates championships. I don’t know, all of the things that a champion talks about when interviewed after raising her huge trophy with her teammates.
I think you made a huge mistake here, saying that these group lesson are somehow “teamwork”. You see, when I am paying someone to make my DD better, I really don’t care if the kid next to her is getting better, because in the end, there are only so many scholarships to go around and I want my DD to get it, more than the other kids in the group. This is not a team. These kids are PAYING to sharpen their skills, so they get the scholarship offer, over someone else.
Your lack of empathy is astounding. To say that a coach is unethical in her need to be paid for services is the same theory that gets teachers paid less that actors every single day. You want it to look a certain way. You want the perceived nature of a coach to be that he or she does everything out of the goodness of their hearts. When that person chooses to make coaching her full time activity; when that person doesn’t have time for your 9-5 desk job playing solitaire and eating Doritios because she’s too busy molding young minds and impacting girls on a deep and profound level- I believe that person deserves to find a way to be compensated.[/i]
You and I disagree here, but you do touch on a point that every other person responding to this thread has found a way to dismiss, overlook and that is; she has certainly found a way to be compensated and it’s not the kindness of her heart, that is the foundation of her business model- it’s money. If she truly cared about making them their personal best and the QUALITY of the individual product she turns out, and not the QUANTITY – then she would see that this is a real disservice.
[i]I'll give you a head start on your response and a hint on research to do: go ahead and chat with some college coaches on what they think about Jen Schroeder. Heck, go ahead and chat with Team USA and professional league coaches. Be sure to not just report the ones with the feedback that fits your theory. Go ahead. I'm interested.
I give you that she has marketed herself well and as a result has gained some followers. But I ask you this, will any of these coaches accept a lesser catcher because she went to Jenn, over another catcher (say, like Lexi Elkins, Taylor Edwards, and so many others) – just because of Jenn’s marketing campaigns? When all is said and done, coaches need a catcher that can keep runners from advancing. Kinetic chain, sequencing, landing in a good position to throw, arm slot, anticipation, arm strength development, catch to release timing, and a host of other things are much more important items to enhance and improve upon, then repetitive blocking drills and hot foot… That’s just my opinion, you have yours - so we’ll just disagree, I guess.
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Someone made some very interesting comments that I wish to address (her comments are italicized below – my responses are not).
Has made it her life’s work to encourage and develop better catchers and, more importantly, better people. Her intention isn't a plot to get money and it until recent years, you would never have noticed her if she hadn't grown in popularity. You bash her character and her experience like it’s not worthy of anyone listening to a word she says. That perspective alone would mark you as ignorant in my book.
How can you say this, by its very design isn’t all about the money? Let’s see, pack as many kids from all ages and skill level (and whom all have differing problems to remedy, to be their personal best), into one giant groups lesson, teaching the same drills to all of them! We can disagree on this, but when charging people a fee to provide a lesson, I think you have the obligation to teach them where they are deficient.
Before The Packaged Deal (as it seems you also hate due to your hatred for Jen) and this time of digital mass marketing as an alternative way to coach and reach more people, baseball AND softball were dying breeds. The sport needed to be shaken up, not changed from its honest and competitive roots- but GROWN to match our changing society and the attention spans of kids in current times.
I don’t even know how to respond rationally to this malarkey. Softball was a dying breed until Jenn saved the day with the group lessons? You’re joking, right? Shaking up the sport, was her agenda which somehow required her to shove a bunch of kids together in these group lessons, and then throw out a bunch of drills (that may not even be something they need to work on – or there are much more pressing issues they need to address, yet won’t in these groups), and then to throw a fee on it! We are supposed to believe it's not because she wants the money, but because "shaking up the sport for the larger good", is what’s on her mind. Ya, sounds perfectly reasonable!
Jen was not a catcher growing up. She was the top recruit in her class as a third baseman. She moved to the catching position because he was asked to do so by her head-coach late in her career. Her knowledge is based on hard-earned research, case study, and years of trial and error. I would take that knowledge of the game over lab-coat science any day of the week, especially if I had a daughter wanting a role-model and coach.
I think you are treading on dangerous grounds here, when you assume she has actually done some research, well, other than googling catchers drill and dumping an assortment of those into her group lesson arsenal. It doesn’t take an expert, to know that she doesn’t pay attention to the fine details, she doesn’t have an understanding of the countless studies out there on what sell a marginal pitch to an umpire, and what do the best catchers in the world have in common with their set-ups and receiving. You see, there is actual data out there, but these finer details (which will set you apart from the others in a “group”), are too much time consuming work to generate the revenue she is now making. It’s just business and to say it’s not, is naive or dishonest.
The girls get more out of the group lessons than just mechanical skill.
When asked if the girls feel more confident as women and as softball players after a group lesson versus a private lesson, most would pick the group lesson. They believe they benefit in more than you could possibly understand.
You correctly say in this paragraph that they “Believe they benefit”. That’s exactly my point here, they believe they do, but they don’t. So when a college coach comes around and realizes that the catcher in front of her/him, can’t throw a runner out, has bad throwing form, weak arm because of mechanics – but has religiously attended Jenn’s groups sessions for years, do you think the college coach is going to care that she see;s Jenn every week? Of course not. Who gets hurt in this entire “Belief System” you describe? The kids do, when it comes time to perform their best in front of a college coach – and these groups lessons haven’t worked on their individual deficiencies - but the "believed" they would somehow be overcome.
You have no idea of the business model and the poison that you're spreading about how these girls are evil for making money at all could keep some parents from giving their daughter the chance to experience things for themselves. [/i]
Your logic here is flawed. It’s the fiduciary duty for the so-called coach (private, semi-private or mass marketer) to take a vested interest in each paying family and kid as individuals and address their specific deficiencies to assure they are doing what’s best for that specific kid. Scholarships are at stake here and simply believing you can throw a runner out (but can’t), is not going to get you one.
While anyone can see you’re in a blind rage and all of this is a clear attack on Jen (for what ever reason you’ve blown up in your mind), you have valid thoughts that really just come down to opinion.
people that believe that teamwork matters, that chemistry creates championships. I don’t know, all of the things that a champion talks about when interviewed after raising her huge trophy with her teammates.
I think you made a huge mistake here, saying that these group lesson are somehow “teamwork”. You see, when I am paying someone to make my DD better, I really don’t care if the kid next to her is getting better, because in the end, there are only so many scholarships to go around and I want my DD to get it, more than the other kids in the group. This is not a team. These kids are PAYING to sharpen their skills, so they get the scholarship offer, over someone else.
Your lack of empathy is astounding. To say that a coach is unethical in her need to be paid for services is the same theory that gets teachers paid less that actors every single day. You want it to look a certain way. You want the perceived nature of a coach to be that he or she does everything out of the goodness of their hearts. When that person chooses to make coaching her full time activity; when that person doesn’t have time for your 9-5 desk job playing solitaire and eating Doritios because she’s too busy molding young minds and impacting girls on a deep and profound level- I believe that person deserves to find a way to be compensated.[/i]
You and I disagree here, but you do touch on a point that every other person responding to this thread has found a way to dismiss, overlook and that is; she has certainly found a way to be compensated and it’s not the kindness of her heart, that is the foundation of her business model- it’s money. If she truly cared about making them their personal best and the QUALITY of the individual product she turns out, and not the QUANTITY – then she would see that this is a real disservice.
[i]I'll give you a head start on your response and a hint on research to do: go ahead and chat with some college coaches on what they think about Jen Schroeder. Heck, go ahead and chat with Team USA and professional league coaches. Be sure to not just report the ones with the feedback that fits your theory. Go ahead. I'm interested.
I give you that she has marketed herself well and as a result has gained some followers. But I ask you this, will any of these coaches accept a lesser catcher because she went to Jenn, over another catcher (say, like Lexi Elkins, Taylor Edwards, and so many others) – just because of Jenn’s marketing campaigns? When all is said and done, coaches need a catcher that can keep runners from advancing. Kinetic chain, sequencing, landing in a good position to throw, arm slot, anticipation, arm strength development, catch to release timing, and a host of other things are much more important items to enhance and improve upon, then repetitive blocking drills and hot foot… That’s just my opinion, you have yours - so we’ll just disagree, I guess.
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Jerk, looks like you were up all night, LOL
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softballjerk wrote: One last thing to respond here, and I am done with this;
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Thank God.
You have stated your OPINIONS over and over, trying to present them as facts.
But they are just your opinions, and I agree with most of the replies that they are not MY opinions.
I love Jen, my kid loves Jen, and it's a beautiful thing to see women becoming empowered in this sport.
I hope you can find some kind of peace of mind, life is too short to go through it pissed off.
Art
Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
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I've seen "hot foot" mentioned multiple times in this thread - what exactly is it?
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Battle wrote:fastpitchdad05 wrote:Battle wrote:fastpitchdad05 wrote:Spazsdad wrote:Jerk check your pms.
Do you mean softballjerk or are you talking to me again?
That depends...Do you have PMS?
If not, I think he was talking to Opie...
No, I have PBS...Putting up with Battle's Sh*t!
LOL...Well look at it this way...If I'm bothering you then I'm leaving someone else alone. PDad thanks you.
FTR, your sh!t bothers lots of people, but not me. I just consider the source...
I do thank FPD for that post because it ranks as one of his best. I suspect PBS also stands for my BS...
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PDad wrote:Battle wrote:fastpitchdad05 wrote:Battle wrote:fastpitchdad05 wrote:Spazsdad wrote:Jerk check your pms.
Do you mean softballjerk or are you talking to me again?
That depends...Do you have PMS?
If not, I think he was talking to Opie...
No, I have PBS...Putting up with Battle's Sh*t!
LOL...Well look at it this way...If I'm bothering you then I'm leaving someone else alone. PDad thanks you.
FTR, your sh!t bothers lots of people, but not me. I just consider the source...
I do thank FPD for that post because it ranks as one of his best. I suspect PBS also stands for my BS...
One of my best? Thank God the bar is set so low for me.
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Check out who's on the list of Most Influential on FloSoftball!
She must be doing something good...
She must be doing something good...
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