exD1dad wrote:I consider all the UC schools I listed "good" Pdad & if you look at national rankings so do do a lot of other people including experts as rankings change but each of these UC's are top 20 in several different areas & overall too.
I'm glad you think so. I'd add UC Irvine to your list for a number of majors.
OK Pdad so did you even bother reading the average stat's on what I posted? SAT scores (average of course) are 1900 to 2100 for UC's I listed & all the schools have average GPA's over 4.0. Therefore SAT's + GPA (that'd be the "pathway " you were referring to) it's very simple. How many softball players really meet those?
I read the average stats you posted - did you look at the more detailed ones I posted? They break each stat down into ranges and for each range show the numbers admitted and applied. They show the schools passed on thousands of kids with 4.0+ GPAs in favor of kids with lower GPAs. Some of the sub-4.0 are athletes getting special consideration and some could be majors that are less competitive, but I don't think that accounts for all of them. UCSB passed on 4K from the 4.0+ range and took 8k from lower GPA ranges instead.
Lets face it UC scores for normal kids are the same as athletes for Ivy & Patriot League.
Do you have anything to back that up?
What proof do you have that the UCs aren't employing some "holistic" criteria? The most and very selective schools are employing them to differentiate applicants with exceptional credentials. Cal and UCLA both passed on 22-23k from the 4.0+ range and 2/3 of the applicants that scored in the top SAT/ACT ranges (700+/31+). I seriously doubt they only look at GPA + SAT/ACT.