How should this be scored?

[jonriv]

Here's the situation:

Runner on third- one out.

Batter hits a wounded quail that hits the ground befor the second baseman- ball bounces off fielder's chest. Runner on third breaks for teh plate. 2B alertly throws home and nails runner. In the meantime- batter reached first base before throw was made

[Trophy Hunter]

If your kid is pitching it's an E-4.
If your kid is hitting its an RBI single.
Scorekeeping 101

What happened to the bird?

[jonriv]

If your kid is pitching it's an E-4.
If your kid is hitting its an RBI single.
Scorekeeping 101

What happened to the bird?

College level

Showed in live stats as a single with an out at home

boxscore showed it as a FC

When seeing the video-not so sure?? Definitely no error on 2b- very wierd play

[Sam]

Its a FC.

[jonriv]

Its a FC.

That's what I thought originally- questioned it when I actually saw the video. Sucks when the runner gets a bad break. It is what it is.

[MavFan]

Its a FC.

That's what I thought originally- questioned it when I actually saw the video. Sucks when the runner gets a bad break. It is what it is.

I disagree, I would call it a single if the batter runner had reached first before the throw home. That is bad base running, not the choice of the fielder to get the out at home in lieu of the out at first. I would equate it to a ball hit up the middle where the 2B or SS keeps the ball on the infield, and a runner, originally at second rounds third too far and gets picked off, bad base running, (or coaching depending on your perspective), but not the choice of the fielder to get the out at third rather than the out at first.

[Fredegar]

I disagree, I would call it a single if the batter runner had reached first before the throw home. That is bad base running, not the choice of the fielder to get the out at home in lieu of the out at first. I would equate it to a ball hit up the middle where the 2B or SS keeps the ball on the infield, and a runner, originally at second rounds third too far and gets picked off, bad base running, (or coaching depending on your perspective), but not the choice of the fielder to get the out at third rather than the out at first.

This is not a gray area or judgment thing. If a preceding runner is thrown out BEFORE reaching the next base, it's ruled a FC for the batter. Yes, it might be bad base-running, but it's still a FC, by rule. In your example above, where your runner at 2B rounds 3B too far and gets picked off, that's different because the runner made it to the next base and got "picked off" afterwards. So yes, score that a single, ONLY IF the infielder had no legitimate play on the batter-runner at 1st.

[rdelawder12]

I disagree, I would call it a single if the batter runner had reached first before the throw home. That is bad base running, not the choice of the fielder to get the out at home in lieu of the out at first. I would equate it to a ball hit up the middle where the 2B or SS keeps the ball on the infield, and a runner, originally at second rounds third too far and gets picked off, bad base running, (or coaching depending on your perspective), but not the choice of the fielder to get the out at third rather than the out at first.

This is not a gray area or judgment thing. If a preceding runner is thrown out BEFORE reaching the next base, it's ruled a FC for the batter. Yes, it might be bad base-running, but it's still a FC, by rule. In your example above, where your runner at 2B rounds 3B too far and gets picked off, that's different because the runner made it to the next base and got "picked off" afterwards. So yes, score that a single, ONLY IF the infielder had no legitimate play on the batter-runner at 1st.

Only way for this at bat to result in a single, is if the ball traveled to 1b then to home, otherwise the explanation above is spot on! Besides, who wants credit for a bloop single in front of the 2b, JK, lol...

[MavFan]

I disagree, I would call it a single if the batter runner had reached first before the throw home. That is bad base running, not the choice of the fielder to get the out at home in lieu of the out at first. I would equate it to a ball hit up the middle where the 2B or SS keeps the ball on the infield, and a runner, originally at second rounds third too far and gets picked off, bad base running, (or coaching depending on your perspective), but not the choice of the fielder to get the out at third rather than the out at first.

This is not a gray area or judgment thing. If a preceding runner is thrown out BEFORE reaching the next base, it's ruled a FC for the batter. Yes, it might be bad base-running, but it's still a FC, by rule. In your example above, where your runner at 2B rounds 3B too far and gets picked off, that's different because the runner made it to the next base and got "picked off" afterwards. So yes, score that a single, ONLY IF the infielder had no legitimate play on the batter-runner at 1st.

Only way for this at bat to result in a single, is if the ball traveled to 1b then to home, otherwise the explanation above is spot on! Besides, who wants credit for a bloop single in front of the 2b, JK, lol...

In the situation listed above the fielder did not appear to have a legitimate play on the batter-runner on first. If the fielder fields the ball, looked at first, maybe even turns to first, realizes there is no play, then the runner from third breaks home, this isn't a fielders choice.


14.2.11 Fielder’s Choice: A fielder fielding a ground ball and
attempting to put out a preceding base runner rather than the
batter-runner at first when a throw to first base would have put
out the batter-runner.

[PDad]

I disagree, I would call it a single if the batter runner had reached first before the throw home. That is bad base running, not the choice of the fielder to get the out at home in lieu of the out at first. I would equate it to a ball hit up the middle where the 2B or SS keeps the ball on the infield, and a runner, originally at second rounds third too far and gets picked off, bad base running, (or coaching depending on your perspective), but not the choice of the fielder to get the out at third rather than the out at first.

This is not a gray area or judgment thing. If a preceding runner is thrown out BEFORE reaching the next base, it's ruled a FC for the batter. Yes, it might be bad base-running, but it's still a FC, by rule. In your example above, where your runner at 2B rounds 3B too far and gets picked off, that's different because the runner made it to the next base and got "picked off" afterwards. So yes, score that a single, ONLY IF the infielder had no legitimate play on the batter-runner at 1st.

Only way for this at bat to result in a single, is if the ball traveled to 1b then to home, otherwise the explanation above is spot on! Besides, who wants credit for a bloop single in front of the 2b, JK, lol...

In the situation listed above the fielder did not appear to have a legitimate play on the batter-runner on first. If the fielder fields the ball, looked at first, maybe even turns to first, realizes there is no play, then the runner from third breaks home, this isn't a fielders choice.

14.2.11 Fielder’s Choice: A fielder fielding a ground ball and
attempting to put out a preceding base runner rather than the
batter-runner at first when a throw to first base would have put
out the batter-runner.

That is the oversimplified (i.e. incomplete) definition of FC. Section 7 has the complete guidelines.

SECTION 7—FIELDER’S CHOICE
A fielder’s choice is credited in the following situations:
14.7.1 To a batter:
14.7.1.1 When a ground ball is put in play and any preceding runner is out on the hit or would have been out had no error occurred.
14.7.1.2 When a ground ball is put in play and the lead runner is safe, but the batter would have been out had the initial play gone to first base.
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