Spazsdad wrote:UmpSteve wrote:The last bid numbers in my hands are the 2010 Nationals. Chattanooga paid $10k plus 400 per team (approx $32k more) for 10U, Bloomington, IN paid $6500 plus 400 per team (maybe $36k), for 12U, Moline, IL paid $10k plus 400 per team (maybe $48k), for 14U, College Station, TX bid $0 plus 400 per team (maybe 64K) for 16U, and Columbus, GA paid $5k plus $400 per team (maybe 48k) for 18A. The 18 Gold isn't publicly bid, but I would bet no more than $10k plus 400 per team (another $25k). The highest paying tournament is more like $64k, not $100k.
If your numbers per team are correct then in 2010 for 14u there were, I believe, 150+ teams.
So
72k+
Add in the entry fees for another 70k+. Gate fees for parents on top of that have to be close to another 100k+++ (45/wk for a pass, 14 kids per team. ONE parent per kid)
I thought I heard LM cut a check for close to 100k for 18A nationals in Hemet.
Where does this money go?
I do know that last year we were not allowed to draw for our bracket spot until we turned in our evaluation form. One big problem is how do you rate a week long tournament after the first two days????
Umpires, fields, facilities...Lind of early to make a true judgment.
SpazsDad, you are now mixing apples with your oranges. I told you what ASA gets; all of what it gets. Now you are mixing in what the local host gets, and what they may have arranged with the local/state association for their support, and what deals they have made with the local CVB. Like normal tournament hosts, they get the gate, they get the entry fees, they get the concession profits, they get a percentage of souvenir and vendor sales, etc., etc.
ASA (the National Office) gets the bid amount plus an assessment per team. That is it. If LM paid 100k, it included way more than what ASA got; that may be their total expenses, which include: UIC and National Office Rep per diems, housing, transportation and meals, umpire game fees, housing and meals, administrative costs, field maintenance costs, field rental or staff, paid staff (scorekeepers, gate workers), manager's meeting expenses (usually includes a meal), opening ceremony costs, players' party, umpire meeting needs. On and on, expenses paid by the host; but the money does NOT go to ASA.
Your assessment of all the forms of income is more true to the PGF model than the ASA model. One agency that handles all levels of expenses, and, in fact, receives all the income streams. Not claiming or insinuating anything inappropriate, but more closely associated with your assessment.