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by exD1dad » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:55 pm

Guess what Pdad just because I have a different schedule than you doesn't mean diddly squat, facts are facts & since you quote so many I'd expect that from you


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all GPA's above 4.0??? duhhhhh care to eat your words that my "ramblings" are indeed fact oh great PDad?
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by jonriv » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:10 pm

PDad(or anyone) are you guys in california seeing a surge in Public college applications since 2007/2008? I know at the UCONN schools and at SUNY they were having a big increase in applications(lower tuitions, closer to home) especially at the better state schools
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by PDad » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:47 pm

exD1dad wrote:Guess what Pdad just because I have a different schedule than you doesn't mean diddly squat, facts are facts & since you quote so many I'd expect that from you

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all GPA's above 4.0??? duhhhhh care to eat your words that my "ramblings" are indeed fact oh great PDad?

The avg HS GPA's don't prove anything. UC's use a scoring system that combines GPA and test scores (see Statewide Path). A high GPA certainly helps, but it isn't the end-all. The more detailed profiles prove that - Berkeley, UCLA, UCSB, etc.

The UC's do look at the curriculum of HS's to determine which classes can be used to satisfy their A-G course requirements and which ones get the bonus grade point.

I agree that competition is fierce for admission to good schools, although I don't know which schools you consider to be good.
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by jonriv » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:54 pm

I was thinking of SUNY in ny. Binghampton is thought of as being the "best" of the SUNY universities and Geneseo the best of the colleges. They have both seen a big upswing in applications in recent years with a big jump in apllication of those in past might have been more inclined to go to a private school. I am assuming there is a similar ranking/hierarchy among California state schools?
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by exD1dad » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:29 pm

I consider all the UC schools I listed "good" Pdad & if you look at national rankings so do do a lot of other people including experts as rankings change but each of these UC's are top 20 in several different areas & overall too.

Pdad your soooo wrong, the GPA in the UC does not differentiate between say..... my DD's HS (ranked in the top 10 to 15 in the USA for academics at private schools depending on who is ranking) or some public Cali HS. To the UC system GPA is GPA. That is a fact

OK Pdad so did you even bother reading the average stat's on what I posted? SAT scores (average of course) are 1900 to 2100 for UC's I listed & all the schools have average GPA's over 4.0. Therefore SAT's + GPA (that'd be the "pathway " you were referring to) it's very simple. How many softball players really meet those? Lets face it UC scores for normal kids are the same as athletes for Ivy & Patriot League.

Again if you have any knowledge of a Holistic college admission you would understand they look at the HS's curriculum (& I'm not addressing "course requirements" like what you referred to as they are two different things) & make adjustments based upon the success & or failure of previous student from that school, students school rank, number of extracurricular activities & what they were, recommendation letters from teachers, & the essay portion.

Yes Jonriv applications are way up as kids apply to 6 to 20 schools & UCLA numbers are mind blowing , I believe they are the largest in the nation
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by jonriv » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:31 am

I think most school admissions deep thave pretty good data on how to rank gpa's from different high schools. I think that UC's would have excellent dat on California and that would certainly be considered in any admissions. Of course when posting admissions info there will be no discounting involved :) More and more schools are taking a more holistic approach and are looking for better rounded students. W
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by 3'sDad » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:41 am

I needed to read sommething while eating my lunch, so I picked this thread.

Entertaining reading anyway.

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by exD1dad » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:56 am

Jonriv what you're saying is very true for most selective & all of the highly selective schools & it's the :logical" approach as well as what a normal educated person would think was the standard. However with the large numbers of applications to UC's being what they are they go strictly by the numbers to quickly eliminate a large portion of prospective students.
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by hit4power » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Wow, I've been out of pocket for a couple of weeks and come back to this thread...

As a parent of a NESCAC softball player....

1) The schools may be small but the rivalries are intense and things have gotten out of hand from time to time although I haven't seen it in softball yet. DD informs that there have been incidents in football, soccer, basketball, and lacrosse that she knows of. Usually some alcohol involved. Did "booing" need to be mentioned in the letter? Maybe not, but I don't think anyone should connect that to these schools trying to coddle anyone or turn athletics into rec league where everyone's a winner. If you haven't been to a NESCAC sporting event, at least at Williams, Amherst, or Tufts, then you have no friggin idea how badly they want to beat each other and how important it is to the players and fans. You may say who cares who wins between Amherst and Williams, and I will say who cares who wins between UCLA and Oregon. To each his own.
2) D1 vs D3 - I will say the following: if Tufts was in the Ivy League this last year they would have won it. If Tufts was in the Patriot League, they would have won that, too. And if they had gone out and played in the Mary Nutter they would have had their asses handed to them. And if they had won either the Ivy or Pat League they would have gone to the WCWS and promptly been eliminated. The Ivy, some of the Pat League, and those NESCAC schools that recruit nationally are all fighting for the same kids, especially NESCAC and Ivy and since neither offers athletic scholarships I believe the overall talent level across those conferences is pretty balanced as the admissions standards are pretty comparable. DD looked at (and was looked at by) several Ivies and vice versa for any number of players we know.
People seem to forget that D1 encompasses a huge range of schools from the big ones we all know of to much smaller schools (ever been to Sam Houston State?) that don't have big recruiting budgets. The better D3's can hold their own against some of these smaller schools. Finally, in a number of sports, the NCAA doesn't segregate schools by division, it's a free for all, and some of these smaller schools do quite well against the big boys. There are also schools who play some sports at D3 and others at higher division levels. D1 is not an automatic indicator of athletic supremacy.
3) There are a million ways to rank colleges. My kid's school was #1 in some ranking and not even in the top 25 in another one. Who cares... Go to the college that is the right fit for you and choose a degree program that you have interest in, and can lead you to where you want to go in life.

Finally, maybe Uno needs to send out a letter to the board that bans taunting, vulgarity, and booing so we can all get back to rooting for our kids and everyone else's... ;)
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by Mark H » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:32 pm

hit4power[quote] wrote:2) D1 vs D3 - I will say the following: if Tufts was in the Ivy League this last year they would have won it.


Love the small school D3 experience and when my kid played in such I had the same visions. :)
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