Non-Payment of Player Fee's

[genbender69]

ASA/IFA have procedures in place to help PROTECT Organizations. PGF Does not. A certain team that a player went to was made aware of the player not paying the player fee. This is what was stated...Well we are not an ASA Team anymore we are a PGF team so there really isnt anything you can do since PGF has nothing in place to enforce re-sticking a player. So basically if you want to screw over an ASA Organization or Team in the fall I say go to a team and promise to make payments and walk away to go over to a PGF "team" since they (PGF) wont do anything about it or do the right thing. Yes knowone likes to have to go down this road but sometimes you dont have a choice.

[absdad]

PGF doesn't have any control over what ASA, or any organization for that matter, does or doesn't do. No more than Santa Claus having any say on what the Easter Bunny does. This issue IMO, is between the player and the previous team. The team needs to go after the player/parents, not expect ASA or PGF to do something about it.

[genbender69]

ASA and IFA can Block a player from playing in any ASA or IFA sanctioned tournaments until the player fee in question is paid. This was my point PGF does not have this in place. My statement of PGF doing the right thing since it doesn't have anything in place. So the Organization is left 2000+ in the hole because a player didn't pay up and went to a team that only plays PGF tournaments so nothing could be done. The new Org just had to do this with a player last year She was banned in ASA and IFA but got to go play PGF Nationals 18Gold in 2010 because why? PGF has nothing in place, so again another Org out 2000+ because there was no enforcement on the PGF Side. The right thing to do for PGF is to Support an Org that has had a player not pay a player fee other wise I see this becoming an issue.

[AlwaysImprove]

ASA's payment enforcement is smoke and mirrors. ASA better familiarize themselves with debt collection processes (link at the end). If you take someone on your team with a promise of payment, then they are a debtor to the team. The team is not actually allowed to tell anyone about that debt, especially ASA. Also, ASA is not allowed to let anyone else, ie the next team, know about that debt.

One of these days ASA will run into someone knowledgeable about debt law and they will loose a lot of money. Debtors are entitled to $1,000 dollars if any of the contact provisions of fair credit act are violated, and they do not have to show any damages to collect.

PGF is smart not getting into this quagmire.

Here are some relevant no-no's I have seen ASA cross when handling this issue in the past.
", a collector may contact other people – but only to find out your address, your home phone number, and where you work. "
"False statement. Debt collectors may not lie when they are trying to collect a debt. For example, they may not:
- falsely claim that they are attorneys or government representatives.
- falsely claim that you have committed a crime.
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"Debt collectors are also prohibited from saying that: - you will be arrested if you don't pay your debt; - legal action will be taken against you, if doing so would be illegal or if they don't intend to take the action."

I am not an attorney. But you often have a situation where the amount owed is in dispute, and the contracts are flimsy. There is not much ASA can do.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre18.shtm

[artomatic]

I don't see how you can possibly blame any of these orgs for a player's debt on a team.
It's the price you pay, as in any business.
You make good and bad decisions.
Hopefully, over time, you learn to recognize the red flags that are out there and avoid them...
But you can't try to blame ASA,PGF, ABC, etc...

[anonlooker]

What if you flip this around... players pay fees upfront based on representations made by the team (tournaments to enter, equipment to buy, etc)... the team doesn't enter that many tourneys, doesn't purchase the equipment, etc...

ASA requires a post-season accounting, but what if team doesn't provide this to the players?

What recourse would the families have if there was clearly more team funds collected than team funds spent? What if the coach disbands the team without accounting for the excess funds?

Does ASA provide any remedy against the coach and / or organization?

[access2]

Just send this guy after them...PGF just hired him

[Iluvblue]

ASA requires a post-season accounting, but what if team doesn't provide this to the players?



They do?? Where(which assoc.) and who sees this accounting?

[anonlooker]

ASA requires a post-season accounting, but what if team doesn't provide this to the players?

They do?? Where(which assoc.) and who sees this accounting?

It may be only SoCal ASA:

Shall provide to all players and parents a pre-season team budget and an itemized and accurate team financial statement within 30 days after ASA Championship play.

link http://www.socal-asa.com/index.php?ct=j ... ligibility

[AlwaysImprove]

ASA Post season accounting is SoCal ASA only. Is also probably unenforceable. What is the penalty for not providing one? Do you loose your team? Are you no longer allowed to coach?