blackwidow wrote:Neo-Conservative think tanker Patrick Clausen on How the United States can get a war with Iran.https://youtu.be/PfoaLbbAix0Some notable statements from that very short clip:
“Crisis Initiation is really tough!”
“It would be best if someone else started the war”
“We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians, we could get nasty with that.”
What a worm.
What a poorly spun web of deceit. It's bad enough the video doesn't show the context of his remarks, then you create a false narrative of him advocating war by taking a few quotes further out of context. You really need to listen to everything instead of just the portions where your primitive spidey sense goes off.
“I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough
and it's very hard for me to see how the United States President can get us to war with Iran. Which leads me to conclude that,
if in fact compromise is not coming, that the traditional way America gets to war is what would be best for U.S. interests."
He doesn't advocate war as being in America's best interests - he's saying we shouldn't start a war without proper provocation. He then goes through a list of wars and the presidents waiting for a triggering event (e.g. Ft Sumter, Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin) before concluding "
If in fact the Iranians aren't going to compromise, it would be best if someone else started the war.”
He goes on to make the important point that there are a wide range of options between sanctions and war. "One can combine other means of pressure with sanctions."
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We can do a variety of things, if we wish to, to increase pressure - I'm not advocating that. But I'm just suggesting that this is not an either/or proposition of it's just sanctions have to succeed or other things. We are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians. We could get nastier with that.”
BW - did you intentionally misrepresent this and/or was it your inability to comprehend? I realize it is very difficult for an eensy-weensy spider brain to comprehend multiple sentences into a coherent thought.
Remember when the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian passenger airliner killing ALL 290 passengers? Didn’t think so.
What a pompous remark. Yes, I remember it. I also remember our Iranian embassy being overrun in 1979 and the employees being held captive for more than a year; the bomb attacks in 1983 Lebanon on our embassy and the Marine barracks; 4 other bomb attacks in 1995-98 and then the USS Cole in 2000. It was a tragic mistake in a war zone (Iran-Iraq) and US forces on high alert due to previous attacks.
Well, I wonder what would have happened if the shoe were on the other foot and Iran’s Navy had shot down an American Airliner full of civilian passengers? Or even worst an Israeli Airliner? What do you think the response would be in this country?
Do you remember what happened after the Russians shot down Korean Air 007 in 1983? How about Malaysian MH17 over Ukraine? There would be a loud outcry in the US or Israel, however both governments would determine whether it was intentional or an accident before taking action.