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by rlblue82 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:01 pm

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blackwidow wrote:Rapture Ready Christians United for Israel
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig


How Israeli propaganda endangers Jews
http://www.truetorahjews.org/issues/france-denmark

Does Netanyahu speak for all Jews?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E4_1dfp3tAM

Recently, self-proclaimed Jewish leaders launched a provocative campaign of newspaper advertisements regarding the policies of the American administration on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Perhaps some are left with the impression that these individuals indeed represent American Jewry.
The fact is, they represent only themselves.
We, traditional Torah Jews, are distressed and appalled by these ads, as well as by the Zionists' tactic of abusing American Jewry to advance their agenda. Therefore, we hereby publicize the following facts:
Fact: Zionism is not Judaism.
The Zionist ideology is fundamentally anti-Torah. Zionism has not only denied the fundamental Jewish belief in Heavenly Redemption; it has created a pseudo-Judaism which replaces the Torah with nationalism.
Thus, the State of Israel cannot – and should not – claim to represent worldwide Jewry, nor should the Zionist State be identified as a Jewish State.
Certain groups may argue that Jerusalem is “higher than politics.” However, according to the Torah, Jerusalem has no relation to politics at all. The holiness of Jerusalem is divine and does not depend on who governs it.
True Torah Jews are outraged by this ongoing ploy, in which the Zionists attempt to create the impression that the holy Torah is behind their hard-line, nationalistic goals. It is not!
Fact: Traditional Jews are loyal to the United States government.
At the time of the destruction of the Holy Temple and the exile of the Jewish People, the great Biblical prophet Jeremiah proclaimed G-d’s message to all Jews: “Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you, and pray for it to G-d, for through its welfare will you have welfare.” (Jeremiah 29:7) For millennia, this has been a cornerstone of Jewish conduct.
As American Jews, we pray for the wellbeing and prosperity of the government of the United States of America, headed by Honorable President Barack Obama.
And of course, we continue to pray for the safety and wellbeing of Jews all over the world, including those in the Holy Land.
The blurring of the boundary between Judaism and Zionism jeopardizes the safety of Jews living all over the world, including our brethren in the Holy Land.

Real Torah Jews


Self-loathing liberal Jews won't be happy until Iran turns Jerusalem into glass.


This post sounds idiotic!
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by Dugout Dad » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:29 pm

Hey BW, even you could understand this video:

https://youtu.be/8EDW88CBo-8
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by Safebyahare » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:45 pm

Dugout Dad wrote:Hey BW, even you could understand this video:

https://youtu.be/8EDW88CBo-8


When you use a link DD,,it is always a good one.
When I post a link,,,it's pretty much random. :D
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by PDad » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:49 pm

blackwidow wrote:
PDad wrote:What do you think of Fatah and Hamas? Tell us which one you most identify with and why.

I don’t think anything of Hamas or Fatah other than they are the democratically elected governments of their people. Gaza and West Bank respectively.
Really? Hamas won the 2006 PA election and Fatah refused to give up control for various reasons. including external opposition to Hamas being in charge. The 2 fought in 2007 with Hamas taking over Gaza and Fatah being relegated to the West Bank. Fatah then dismissed the duly elected PA government and formed a new one. BTW, I did watch the interview with the Hamas leader from your previous post since it was original source material.

I don’t identify with either group per se. I identify with the bigger ideal of treating people equally. I believe it is impossible at this point for there to be a 2 state solution because the Israeli Settlements have infiltrated so deeply into the West Bank that it will be impossible for them to be removed. Therefore the only solution in my mind is a one state solution with equal rights for all citizens of Israel/Palestine.
That would mean Israel can no longer treat Arabs as second class citizens. No more separate Jewish only roads, Jewish only apartment complexes Jewish only neighborhoods. That would mean adopting a meaningful CONSTITUTION that allows for the equality of all the people in the land. Israel does not want that AND they don’t want to withdraw their people to the internationally recognized borders.

Your viewpoints seem to be far more aligned with Hamas than Fatah. Hamas wants to achieve your single-state goal by obliterating Israel. How do you see it coming about?

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What do you think of the Palestinian unity government?

I wish they were unified.
Is it still intact or not?

According to recent reports from JPOST and Ynet the Unity government is not very unified, unfortunately it is the Palestinian people who suffer from their lack of leadership.

Thank you for providing on-topic answers in your own words to these questions.
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by PDad » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:35 pm

blackwidow wrote:
PDad wrote:What do you think of all the ethnic cleansing that has taken place in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq?

I think that the ethnic cleansing being done is due to the balkanization of the entire middle east according to the Greater Israel Project. It started with a white paper by Oded Yinon called A Strategy for Israel in the 1980’s.
THEN Dual citizen Israeli-Americans Richard Perle, Doug Feith, and David Wurmser wrote a paper for Benjamin Netanyahu called “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.”
These 2 important papers outline Israeli strategic thinking ...….the fragmenting of the Arab States into smaller units… exactly what is happening now with the help of the United States military and the war on terror.

I looked up those papers and found them very interesting. The Yinon paper was a time warp back to 1982 with the Cold War and the threat of a nuclear war between the US and USSR. It was an analysis of the threats to Israel and predicted the fragmenting of the Arab States happening on their own due to ethnic rivalries. One of the most interesting topics was Jordan where he predicted it would dissolve and suggested they take actions so the Palestinians could take it and Israel would keep the West Bank. The second paper from 1996 is much more provocative in the actions it suggested, I think the fragmentation is mainly due to the underlying internal conflicts as Yinon predicted with a lot of help in Iraq from toppling Saddam.

I was really looking for your value judgement on those ethnic cleansings. Are any justifiable? Are any better or worse than the others?

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It is still occurring and I presume you're opposed to it. What, if anything, should be done about it.

It may be too late.
A disappointing lack of response.

It’s a plan was created for the reasons stated in the Yinon Plan and the Clean Break Strategy.
In addition:
One last policy paper written by Dual Israeli-American citizen Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby called the Defense Planning Guidance is the capstone of Israeli strategic thinking brought to American defense policy.

Off topic, but I'll respond anyway... Which version - the draft leaked in March 1992 or the final one released the next month? Wolfowicz and Libby were responsible for it being written, but they didn't write it. Nothing really earth shattering in it - US is going to look after its allies and interests (e.g. oil) in the post-Cold War era.

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What do you think about the Sunni-Shiite conflict that is playing out in conflicts across the Mideast? How should it be resolved?

See above answer. And stop arming them all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/world ... tates.html

Another attempt at deflection instead of answering the question. Yes, US companies are selling arms to combatants. If not them, someone else would and we'd lose business and influence. Regardless, we didn't trigger the conflicts.

I'm disappointed you slipped back into your old habits - blaming Israel and the US for everything - instead of sharing your honest analysis and solutions. I'm still interested in what you really think about these things.
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by Dugout Dad » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:38 pm

PDad, you are more patient than me. Thanks for your concise, clear and correct answers and analysis.

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by blackwidow » Mon May 11, 2015 9:35 am

Gen. Wesley Clark Shocker on 9/11 “Policy Coup”
http://whowhatwhy.org/2012/08/10/tvwho- ... licy-coup/

No greater example of a master-servant relationship.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e21755.htm


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by blackwidow » Tue May 12, 2015 9:27 am

The Israeli origins of Bush II's war
Dr. Stephen J. Sniegoski, Ph.D. earned his doctorate in American history,with a focus on American foreign policy, at the University of Maryland.
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_isrorgs.htm

Life inside the Office of Special Plans 2004
LT. COL. KAREN KWIATKOWSKI AIR FORCE -RETIRED
At the time, I didn’t realize that the expertise on Middle East policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. Interestingly, the office director billet stayed vacant the whole time I was there. That vacancy and the long-term absence of real regional understanding to inform defense policymakers in the Pentagon explains a great deal about the neoconservative approach on the Middle East and the disastrous mistakes made in Washington and in Iraq in the past two years.
http://www.salon.com/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

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Following his active duty with the U.S. Navy Gallo had a 28-and-a-half year career with the CIA supporting U.S. communications around the world.
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**WAKEY WAKEY**
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by exD1dad » Thu May 14, 2015 9:27 am

Hey BW saw this today in regards to a Palestinian state
http://www.blacklistednews.com/136_Nati ... 8/Y/M.html
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by blackwidow » Mon May 18, 2015 9:54 am

Thank ExD1 DAD. I read blacklisted news occassionally too...

HEY “Hasbara” Bucket

In the previous video General Wesley Clark calls Bill Kristol a "blabbermouth" but I prefer to think of him as the Joseph Goebbels of the Zionist plan to remake the middle east.

Who is Bill Kristol? Mega-Media owner of the Weekly Standard? But that’s not all…

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/kristol_william

http://www.historycommons.org/context.j ... xamericana

What is the PNAC?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_nXmPnAe1Q

Meanwhile much has been made of the young college student who asked Jeb Bush “Don’t you think your brother created ISIS?”
Well of course NOTHING is ever mentioned in the mainstream media punditry of the fact that if it had been Jeb’s choice we would have gone into Iraq in 1998. Not only would Jeb have done exactly what his brother did, he would have done it sooner.
Jeb Bush is one of the original signers of the PNAC Statement of Principles whose letter to President Clinton urged regime change in 1998. You could say he was a neo-con before it was cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... Principles

Jeb you are no moderate.
http://www.salon.com/2015/02/13/jebs_qu ... m_himself/

Meanwhile In the art world…
Zionist Millionaire Sheldon Adelson now proud owner of George W. Bush original…
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jew ... s/1.656613?


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Fellow citizens…Welcome to The New "American" Century!
Thank you, PNAC, Thank you.

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