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by Dugout Dad » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:25 am

I will keep it simple on the voting guide.

If you disagree with these quotes, you cannot vote Democrat.

“Isn’t it time we shatter the great American myth about pulling oneself up by the bootstraps”“It’s a fantasy. It’s simply not true.”“And reliance, reliance is nothing of shame -- it is the American way.” Kevin de Leon, Top California Democrat, 10/20/14
http://youtu.be/eTbUY_zIxd0
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/20/top-california-democrat-reliance-is-american-way/


“Don’t let anybody tell you it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs,” Hillary Clinton, 10/24/14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyUoCiWsTfI
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2 ... reate-Jobs
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by PDad » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:50 pm

jonriv wrote:Industrial jobs are also being eliminated/displaced by automation
The ROI for automation is a combination of eliminating headcount, making workers more productive and/or reducing the skill level (i.e. wages) required by the workers.

The issue the country is a gap between the labor needed and the technical skills of the labor force.. There are many high skilled jobs that remained unfilled due to a shortage of engineers etc...
Individuals certainly have good opportunities if they acquire the education and skills in demand, so I agree no one has an excuse. However, the shortage of skilled workers is extremely small compared to the number of people that need a good job/career. On a national level, filling all those open skilled positions would have very little impact on the employment rates, median incomes and economy.

It makes no economic sense to make cheaper goods here, better to focus on High margin products(The Germans have mastered this)
Hmm, lots of high-margin US products are manufactured overseas (iPhones/iPads, Nikes, etc). Your point needs to be reexamined.

Our economy has largely transitioned from industrial to services. Lots of service jobs have also moved overseas as telecommunications improved and expanded internationally. Domestically, most of the service jobs being created are entry level for national chains with minimal career prospects.

In order to get ahead, people need to either develop a skill set that is valued by employers or pursue their own business ideas. Even then, they need to evolve to keep up - let alone move up - because the rate of change keeps accelerating. The benefits of a good college education are considerable, but they are also limited and temporary.

A couple of the most important and timeless skills are the ability to figure out how to do something in an efficient manner without someone else having to tell/train you and the perseverance to get things done correctly and timely.
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by jonriv » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:55 pm

It makes no economic sense to make cheaper goods here, better to focus on High margin products(The Germans have mastered this)
Hmm, lots of high-margin US products are manufactured overseas (iPhones/iPads, Nikes, etc). Your point needs to be reexamined.


The products I was thinking of were Wolf, Sub zero, viking etc... New Balance makes their low end overseas, but top end in US Car mfg build compacts overseas, but SUV, pick-ups here

Service is not only chains like you say, but also includes things like finance etc....... The gap in high skilled labor is huge and does impact where things are made(ie iphones etc..) My main point is that the economy has changed and the workforce needs to change as well
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by PDad » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:15 pm

jonriv wrote:The products I was thinking of were Wolf, Sub zero, viking etc...
Viking Range is not a great example since the economic downturn hit them hard. They were trying to outsource their refrigeration and dishwasher production until Middleby bailed them out by acquiring them almost 2 years ago. Middleby is going to try to keep it in-house, but admits they've had their own issues due to government regulations and offshore competition. Sub-Zero is privately owned, so there isn't much info available on how they're doing.

New Balance makes their low end overseas, but top end in US
Generally true for obvious cost reasons. However, NB's domestic production is predominantly men's shoes with only 8 women styles. The 8 women styles all have a mens counterpart and the price points range down towards the low-end.

Car mfg build compacts overseas, but SUV, pick-ups here
Hmm, you go from pointing out Japanese companies are successfully making cars in America to wanting to move production overseas. Where would you go?

Service is not only chains like you say, but also includes things like finance etc....... I was including the branch networks of the major banks when I mentioned national chains.

The gap in high skilled labor is huge and does impact where things are made(ie iphones etc..) My main point is that the economy has changed and the workforce needs to change as well

My point is you can say that to individuals, but there aren't enough of the good jobs to make an impact overall. Not only has the labor market changed, it will continue changing over the course of our kids' lives and many/most of the ones with good jobs will also need to adapt.
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by Dugout Dad » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:35 pm

PDad wrote:
jonriv wrote:The products I was thinking of were Wolf, Sub zero, viking etc...
Viking Range is not a great example since the economic downturn hit them hard. They were trying to outsource their refrigeration and dishwasher production until Middleby bailed them out by acquiring them almost 2 years ago. Middleby is going to try to keep it in-house, but admits they've had their own issues due to government regulations and offshore competition. Sub-Zero is privately owned, so there isn't much info available on how they're doing.

New Balance makes their low end overseas, but top end in US
Generally true for obvious cost reasons. However, NB's domestic production is predominantly men's shoes with only 8 women styles. The 8 women styles all have a mens counterpart and the price points range down towards the low-end.

Car mfg build compacts overseas, but SUV, pick-ups here
Hmm, you go from pointing out Japanese companies are successfully making cars in America to wanting to move production overseas. Where would you go?

Service is not only chains like you say, but also includes things like finance etc....... I was including the branch networks of the major banks when I mentioned national chains.

The gap in high skilled labor is huge and does impact where things are made(ie iphones etc..) My main point is that the economy has changed and the workforce needs to change as well

My point is you can say that to individuals, but there aren't enough of the good jobs to make an impact overall. Not only has the labor market changed, it will continue changing over the course of our kids' lives and many/most of the ones with good jobs will also need to adapt.

Another great Made in USA company is TheGluv.
Great uniforms and apparel, but their ads offend some very sensitive people.
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by Safebyahare » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:52 pm

Why will I not be surprised if dumb laws are passed and that the Democrats retain the Senate.
Just two years ago, Harry Reid kept his seat.
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by Safebyahare » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:58 am

Thank you to the rest of the country for getting it right.
As for California,, , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p77e2_0fUyo
Have a map. http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/governor/
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by Dugout Dad » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:35 am

Safebyahare wrote:Thank you to the rest of the country for getting it right.
As for California,, , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p77e2_0fUyo
Have a map. http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/governor/


Yes, Congratulations and thank you to the rest of the country!
As for CA:
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by Pale Rider » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:25 pm

Voting is like picking up a turd and deciding which is the clean end to choose...
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