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by PDad » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:07 pm

blackwidow wrote:So nothing specific?

There are plenty of specifics in the Nuckols article I referenced.
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by blackwidow » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:32 pm

Since you have not read the book nor watched the presentation, you cannot possibly debate me on the facts of the presentation.
You are relying on
A the authors interpretation of Ms. Wolf's book and presentation.
B you form an agreement of his interpretation even though you have not read the primary source.
C his criticism therefore becomes yours?

Of course, I've also presented additional authors using the same criteria and they have come up with strikingly similar comparisons.

Hardly an exercise in critical thinking but okay.
Thinking is hard.


My point in presenting these links was to show that making school kids write a compare and contrast essay is not "the End of America". I am quite certain that if the essay was about comparing Obama to a socialist dictator it would be an equal reaction from Obama supporters.
And I would be here posting those essays as well, though I am sure dugout dad would be more than eager to fulfill that job instead of me.

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by Safebyahare » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:55 pm

blackwidow wrote:My point in presenting these links was to show that making school kids write a compare and contrast essay is not "the End of America". I am quite certain that if the essay was about comparing Obama to a socialist dictator it would be an equal reaction from Obama supporters.
And I would be here posting those essays as well, though I am sure dugout dad would be more than eager to fulfill that job instead of me.
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However when a teacher has a specific agenda or political flavor, free thinking individuals are locked to provide the instructor's outcome. I believe you once called it, 'authority obedience'. A smart student will provide the information the instructor is looking for to achieve grade. Free thinking is silenced by the instructors bias approach.
Either side can play, but most and that is over 90percent of teacher are left leaning union members.
100percent would love to have their views echoed.

I read some of the links and watched, but after a little bit, it found myself disoriented and confused, with blurry vision.
I have lost an hour of time. Was I drugged. :lol:

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by blackwidow » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:37 pm

Here is Ms. Wolf 10 steps to fascism applied to Obama.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/ ... steps.html

I agree with the points made in the article because it does not matter who the president is.

Safe...whether the teacher had a political agenda or not I don't see the assignment as harmful in any way whatsoever. Has nothing to do with obedience to authority unless you want to classify any type if teacher dictated assignment that way.

Free thinking individuals should not be in compulsory government education anyway.
That's why I homeschooled my kids.

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by blackwidow » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:44 pm

In all fairness to Naomi here is an "anti Obama" article she wrote for the guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -assassins
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by Dugout Dad » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:09 pm

blackwidow wrote:My point in presenting these links was to show that making school kids write a compare and contrast essay is not "the End of America". I am quite certain that if the essay was about comparing Obama to a socialist dictator it would be an equal reaction from Obama supporters.
And I would be here posting those essays as well, though I am sure dugout dad would be more than eager to fulfill that job instead of me
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Nope, I would also consider that comparison wrong, even though such an assignment would never be given.
I think a better assignment would be comparing Hitler and his quest for the supreme race and ISIS and their quest for domination with their notion of a supreme religion. Many similarities. But we know the progressive school system would never allow such a comparative assignment.
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by blackwidow » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:38 pm

ISIS really?

Dugout dad..do yourself a favor and read up on the Yinon Plan for the Middle East.

Then read the book "By Way of Deception" by Victor Ostrovsky.

You are seriously misguided.
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by PDad » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:42 pm

blackwidow wrote:Since you have not read the book nor watched the presentation, you cannot possibly debate me on the facts of the presentation.
You are relying on
A the authors interpretation of Ms. Wolf's book and presentation.
B you form an agreement of his interpretation even though you have not read the primary source.
C his criticism therefore becomes yours?

I indicated I read a synopsis of the book before Nuckols's article. I also listened to enough of the presentation to make a judgement. I don't have to completely consume something to realize it is a turd.

How do we know if you've actually read everything you post? Hence, my request for you to post what you believe in your own words rather than just links and pictures (add: videos).

Of course, I've also presented additional authors using the same criteria and they have come up with strikingly similar comparisons.

A great example of group think.

Hardly an exercise in critical thinking but okay.
Thinking is hard.

I gather information from a variety of viewpoints and make my own conclusions. There is no evidence you consider anything other than what comes from a narrow stream. That's certainly the easy route because "Thinking is hard."

My point in presenting these links was to show that making school kids write a compare and contrast essay is not "the End of America". I am quite certain that if the essay was about comparing Obama to a socialist dictator it would be an equal reaction from Obama supporters.
And I would be here posting those essays as well, though I am sure dugout dad would be more than eager to fulfill that job instead of me.

I wasn't disturbed by the assignment at face value. Compare and contrast assignments are very useful exercises and require students to demonstrate their understanding of the material. People got upset because it involved Hitler and an American president. I looked up the texts the students were supposed to use and think they were inadequate for the assignment given.

- Hitler: http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads ... ersion.pdf

- Bush: http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2003/Bush- ... 72629c0312
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by PDad » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:50 pm

Dugout Dad wrote:
blackwidow wrote:My point in presenting these links was to show that making school kids write a compare and contrast essay is not "the End of America". I am quite certain that if the essay was about comparing Obama to a socialist dictator it would be an equal reaction from Obama supporters.
And I would be here posting those essays as well, though I am sure dugout dad would be more than eager to fulfill that job instead of me
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Nope, I would also consider that comparison wrong, even though such an assignment would never be given.
I think a better assignment would be comparing Hitler and his quest for the supreme race and ISIS and their quest for domination with their notion of a supreme religion. Many similarities. But we know the progressive school system would never allow such a comparative assignment.

A comparison of any subjects is valid because the objective is to identify the similarities and differences.
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by blackwidow » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:00 pm

Pdad.
I think if anyone cares to go back through my history of links and sources y will find that they come from a variety of places. Right wing, left wing, libertarian, mainstream and independent media, so please don't try to categorize me as not providing an array of different perspectives. It is categorically false.
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