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by jonriv » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:46 pm

Sam, I think I know what your trying to say, but what might be an attempt to warn is sounding like blame. Even your example comes across that way.

I am not naive to think guys and girls are not doing the same thing that guys and girls did when I went to college. I am also not that naive to think my angels are exempt(I just don't want to know)

I can also assure you that Clinton has not devalued oral sex for me :)

Sam I am sure you mean well, just might want to tweak your message
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by CheckWriter » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:51 pm

I have been on the same page with Sam with a lot of stuff. Not in the same library on this one.

Your message was buried pretty frickin' deep requiring numerous other posters to explain it to us. Why is it OK to use derogatory references to women in college? It has serious consequences inmost work places. Why is it not OK to still use racial slurs that used to be common but OK to call college girls (some of which aren't even 18 yet) whores and sluts? Talk about orthogonal views on an issue.

Hopefully some of you will watch:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jackson_katz_violence_against_women_it_s_a_men_s_issue#t-178815
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by Sam » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:06 am

CheckWriter wrote:I have been on the same page with Sam with a lot of stuff. Not in the same library on this one.

Your message was buried pretty frickin' deep requiring numerous other posters to explain it to us. Why is it OK to use derogatory references to women in college? It has serious consequences inmost work places. Why is it not OK to still use racial slurs that used to be common but OK to call college girls (some of which aren't even 18 yet) whores and sluts? Talk about orthogonal views on an issue.

Hopefully some of you will watch:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jackson_katz_violence_against_women_it_s_a_men_s_issue#t-178815


My references were to young women in general, as college women are no different....except that they may be more liberal due the views on sexuality pummeled into them by their professors every day. I also didn't call them whores or sluts. I said they dressed like them and behaved like them.....and they would likely be treated as such.

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by jonriv » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:59 am

So Sam how does your "theory" explain the sexual assault at the service academies? They are not dressed like "sluts", they are being pummeled with liberal sexual views by liberal professors, and the alcohol usage is certainly below that of regular schools.
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by AlwaysImprove » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:09 am

Certainly no mean no. But, in the real world, there are real world circumstances. The female that was providing oral sex, as a for instance, is just not going to be treated like a female that is attacked by a stranger on the street. No matter how much we say 'no means no' there are circumstances.

The concern being that girls are taught 'no means no', and go off thinking all they have to do is say no. Someone should be explaining to these ladies that certainly 'no means no', but also don't put yourself in dumb positions.

Just saying spend a few minutes between women's rights, 'no means no' and it's not right for the female to bear all this responsibility, to talk about alcohol, drugs, staying at parties after all the sensible women have left, Teach her how to keep her head on a swivel, and be aware of situations as they develop, and how to be just a touch stronger and bail when crap first turns strange. Don't assume these young ladies are getting any of the required common sense talk at high school or college, cause they are not.

Does it suck that society drops this reality on women. Sure it does. We'll let the women's lib grind on that for another 50 years and see if it gets any better. In the mean time, some common sense and straight thinking is going to greatly increase the likelihood your kid avoids some key scenarios.
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by AlwaysImprove » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:14 am

jonriv wrote:So Sam how does your "theory" explain the sexual assault at the service academies? They are not dressed like "sluts", they are being pummeled with liberal sexual views by liberal professors, and the alcohol usage is certainly below that of regular schools.

There are scumbags in the world that like to sexually assault women. That would be my explanation.
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by jonriv » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:03 am

I think too many of you are caught on the idea that sexual assault is done because the guy was too "horny" to help himself and that he might have been provoked. Sexual Assaulyt is an act of power and intimidation. The star running back feels "entitled"- "how dare she say no to me" Sexual Activity levels in colleges have been around the same since the late sixties, some reports say they may have even come down. If girl says no, just move on- but it is not about sex- It's power. Thats why it happens in all parts of life, that's why it happens at the service academies. We need to warn our daughters about what and who is out there, but shame on you Sam for even suggesting it might be there fault with these predetors

This is from the University of Michigan websites:


Myths and Facts


Several myths exist about sexual assault. These myths often shift responsibility and blame from the assailant to the victim. Understanding the myths surrounding sexual assault may help you in your recovery. What happened to you was a crime. You are not to blame for the assailant’s behavior.

Myth: Rape is caused by the perpetrator’s uncontrollable sexual urge.

Fact: Rape is an act of power and control, not sex.

In addition, one of the biggest myths about rape is that it happens out of sexual desire. Sexual assault is highly sexualized in our society due to the link between sex and violence prevalent in our culture. Many people have sexual desires, but not everyone commits sexual assault.

Survivors of rape are not always those we would consider sexually attractive, such as children or the elderly.
Most rapists have available sexual relationships.
By making the issue about sex and not about violence, this crime seems more acceptable and less severe
The rapist is allowed then to use the excuse that s/he was simply desiring sex, and just "took it too far".
This mentality leads us to blame the victim and not hold the rapist accountable for his or her actions. Also, perpetrators of sexual assault often plan their crimes. Sexual assault is not simply a "crime of passion" where the perpetrator "loses control". Rather, sexual assault is about power and control. The perpetrator exerts his or her power over the victim in such a way to take away any control the victim has in the sexual situation.

Myth: Individuals who commit rape are mentally ill or psychotic and cannot help themselves.

Fact: Very few perpetrators are mentally incompetent and/or out of touch with reality. Rapes may be planned or carried out by acquaintances, intimate partners, family members or strangers.

Myth: The victim must have “asked for it” by being seductive, careless, drunk, high, etc.

Fact: No one asks to be abused, injured, or humiliated. This line of thought blames the victim for what happened instead of the perpetrator who chose to commit the crime. Individuals of all ages, all genders, and all walks of life, have been targets of sexual assault. Not one of them “caused” their assailant to commit a crime against them.

Myth: If you wouldn’t have been drinking, you wouldn’t have been sexually assaulted.

Fact: Alcohol is a weapon that some perpetrators use to control their victim and render them helpless. As part of their plan, an assailant may encourage the victim to use alcohol, or identify an individual who is already drunk. Alcohol is not a cause of rape; it is only one of many tools that perpetrators use.

Myth: If the victim did not physically struggle with or fight the assailant, it wasn’t really rape.

Fact: Assailants are not looking for a fight and they use many forms of coercion, threats, and manipulation to rape. Alcohol and other drugs such as Rohypnol are often used to incapacitate victims.

Michigan law defines sexual assault by the action of the perpetrator, not the victim. In fact, there is a specific law that says that the victim need not have resisted the perpetrator in order for it to be considered rape.

Myth: Most perpetrators are strangers to their victims.

Fact: Most rapes are committed by someone that the victim knows: a neighbor, friend, acquaintance, co-worker, classmate, spouse, partner, or ex-partner.

Myth: Serial rapists are uncommon.

Fact: Most every perpetrator is a serial rapist, meaning that they choose to use coercion, violence, threats of force, etc., to assault people on a repeated basis.

Myth: When women say no, they really mean yes.

Fact: Yes means yes! When someone says yes, s/he is explicitly giving consent. Silence does not equal consent. It is the responsibility of the person initiating or escalating sexual activity to gain consent at each and every level. If you are ever unclear about your partner’s wishes, ask for clarification. If your partner says no or seems unsure, respect that person and her/his wishes.

Myth: If someone doesn’t fight off her or his perpetrator, then it is not really rape.

Fact: Some studies have shown that women who fought back were more likely to be seriously injured by their attacker. This threat of heightened physical violence may make it safer for someone to not fight back. This does not mean the sex is consensual. Furthermore, Michigan law defines a sexual assault by the level of force used by the perpetrator, not by the resistance of the victim. This law recognizes that all responsibility for a sexual assault falls on the perpetrator, and victims may or may not choose to fight back physically.

Myth: If a man ejaculated when he is assaulted, then it is not really sexual assault (this can also go for anyone who has an orgasm when s/he is sexually assaulted).

Fact: Orgasm does not mean that someone "enjoyed" the sex, or that they wanted it. Orgasm can be a natural biological reaction that someone can’t control; it does not mean that forced or coerced sexual activity was consensual. Often this is used to silence the survivor.

Myth: The reason that men get raped is because homosexual men are raping them, and lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender individuals rape more or are more likely to be sex offenders than heterosexuals.

Fact: There are no statistics that support the idea that lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered individuals are more likely to commit sexual assault or be sex offenders than heterosexuals. In fact, sex offenders are disproportionately likely to be heterosexual men.

Myth: Lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender individuals deserve to be raped because of their lifestyle.

Fact: No one deserves to be raped! This is an excuse used by perpetrators who commit rape as a hate crime against lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered individuals.

Myth: Sexual assault is often the result of miscommunication or a mistake.

Fact: Sexual assault is a crime, never simply a mistake. It does not occur due to a miscommunication between two people. Sexual assault is any unwanted sexual contact obtained without consent through the use of force, threat of force, intimidation, or coercion.

Myth: It is ok to pressure or talk someone into sexual activity.

Fact: No! This falls into the category of coercion. Coercion is a tactic used to intimidate trick of force someone to have sex with him or her without physical force.
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by jonriv » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:10 am

Here is a powerpoint presentation from the US Military

BTW- they consider No to mean no

http://www.powershow.com/view/25049-NzF ... esentation
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by Dugout Dad » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:09 am

We had a POTUS not know the meaning of the word "is"
Why would we expect a football player to know the meaning of "no"
No one can assume anything when is comes to sexual crimes
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by jonriv » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:27 am

Dugout- she never said no to POTUS

Every guy knows what no means, 99% actually listen to it. Those that feel entitled and/or predatory ignore it.
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