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- Dontknownutin
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Jitterbug wrote:See what I mean about telling the truth, no one wants to listen to it. But that is ok you vote for who you want to carry this nation forward. I was just hoping that at some time people would actually research something rather than listen to the talking heads who have an agenda which is not necessarily for the best interest of this nation. All I ask is you vote. It hurts some times to see the very % of people who do not vote, but again this is the USA and the right is there to either do both vote or not vote. Served my country from 1970 to 1995 saw and experienced a lot during that period and one of them is the love of the country I and my fellow service men and women have and all we ask for is fair treatment by the people we serve.
...and back to softball...
The bitch page you're looking for can be found at http://www.moveon.org, http://www.dailykos.com, http://www.cnn.com, or http://www.msnbc.com. They'll be glad to hear from you.
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yes, mccain was a prisoner of war during vietnam...yes mccain should be considered a war hero...but no, mccain doesnt deserve to be president if this is how bad he wants it...
flip:
In 2005, McCain pushed President Bush to sign a bill that would, among other provisions, prohibit “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” of anyone in U.S. government custody. McCain authored the torture ban himself. “We’ve sent a message to the world that the United States is not like the terrorists,” McCain said. McCain was also against waterboarding, saying during presidential primary campaigning “all I can say is that it was used in the Spanish Inquisition, it was used in Pol Pot’s genocide in Cambodia, and there are reports that it is being used against Buddhist monks today…It is not a complicated procedure. It is torture.” [MSNBC, 12/15/05 & New York Times, 10/26/07]
flop:
In 2008, McCain voted against the Intelligence Authorization Bill, which requires the intelligence community to abide by the same standards as articulated in the Army Field Manual and bans waterboarding. [New York Times, 2/17/08]
he voted against his own integrity to get the backing of bush cartel...now he wants to be mr reform...mr maverick...how about mr. flip-flop...
we can get back to softball now while we can...once the $700 billion bailout passes, no one will be able to afford it anymore when the economy collapses...thanxs bush/mccain for removing all the regulations and making all this possible...
flip:
In 2005, McCain pushed President Bush to sign a bill that would, among other provisions, prohibit “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” of anyone in U.S. government custody. McCain authored the torture ban himself. “We’ve sent a message to the world that the United States is not like the terrorists,” McCain said. McCain was also against waterboarding, saying during presidential primary campaigning “all I can say is that it was used in the Spanish Inquisition, it was used in Pol Pot’s genocide in Cambodia, and there are reports that it is being used against Buddhist monks today…It is not a complicated procedure. It is torture.” [MSNBC, 12/15/05 & New York Times, 10/26/07]
flop:
In 2008, McCain voted against the Intelligence Authorization Bill, which requires the intelligence community to abide by the same standards as articulated in the Army Field Manual and bans waterboarding. [New York Times, 2/17/08]
he voted against his own integrity to get the backing of bush cartel...now he wants to be mr reform...mr maverick...how about mr. flip-flop...
we can get back to softball now while we can...once the $700 billion bailout passes, no one will be able to afford it anymore when the economy collapses...thanxs bush/mccain for removing all the regulations and making all this possible...
- pixsguy
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Referencing the NYT and MSNBC? Surely you jest???
- Joe
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The NYT would be the paper that wrote glowing pieces on McCain the "maverick" for months during the Republican primaries, endorsing him from among the GOP candidates...and then ran a full-on hit piece on him the day after he got the party's nomination. Shameless.
But the fact is, McCain has flip-flopped. He has flipped and flopped all over the place. But at least he is right on some of the issues...and at least he has been flopping in the right direction of late. Obama is consistently wrong on just about everything. He has to be...he's a socialist.
But the fact is, McCain has flip-flopped. He has flipped and flopped all over the place. But at least he is right on some of the issues...and at least he has been flopping in the right direction of late. Obama is consistently wrong on just about everything. He has to be...he's a socialist.
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What cost Bailie Mae? or How much is $700 Billion?
There are about 300 million men, women, and children currently living (legally) in the United States, so the bailout is equal to roughly $2,300 per person. That's right around what we each paid, on average, for gas and oil in 2006 ($2,227) and a bit less than our average personal tax burden ($2,432).
Stepping away from average Joes, $700 billion is equal to about 12 Bill Gateses. The assembled net worth of the Forbes 400 is $1.57 trillion, or more than twice the cost of the bailout.
Titanic, one of the highest-grossing movies of all time, raked in $1.8 billion from the worldwide box office, so James Cameron would have to make roughly 381 Titanic-sized blockbusters to settle Wall Street's debts.
According to the Centers for Disease Control, the single-year cost of obesity in the United States was $117 billion in 2000, or about one-seventh the bailout—although that number has been disputed.
If the federal government siphoned off Florida's gross domestic product, we could cover the bailout.
Invading the Netherlands might be advisable—that nation's GDP was $768.7 billion last year. Of course, invasions cost a lot of money. Back in 2003, the Bush administration told Congress that the Iraq war would cost between $60 billion and $100 billion, but it's estimated that, so far, we've spent about $600 billion.
Should the Treasury receive authority from Congress to borrow $700 billion, the national debt will rise by only about 7 percent. Right now, it's sitting at $9.6 trillion.
For historical perspective, consider that the Marshall Plan, which helped finance the recovery of Western Europe after World War II, cost the United States about $13 billion. Of course, in 2008 dollars that's more like $100 billion. And Niall Ferguson has estimated that as a comparable share of the U.S. GDP, it's more like $740 billion.
Lastly, in apocalyptic terms, $700 billion really isn't all that much. If nothing is done to change the way we finance Social Security, the trust fund reserves will be exhausted by 2041. This means that, in 75 years, there'll be a shortfall of $4.3 trillion—or about six bailouts.
According to the Stern report (issued by U.K. economist Sir Nicholas Stern), global climate change could cost the planet $9 trillion (or 12.86 bailouts) if we don't address the problem within the next decade or so.
Hopefully all that cleared things up a bit!
There are about 300 million men, women, and children currently living (legally) in the United States, so the bailout is equal to roughly $2,300 per person. That's right around what we each paid, on average, for gas and oil in 2006 ($2,227) and a bit less than our average personal tax burden ($2,432).
Stepping away from average Joes, $700 billion is equal to about 12 Bill Gateses. The assembled net worth of the Forbes 400 is $1.57 trillion, or more than twice the cost of the bailout.
Titanic, one of the highest-grossing movies of all time, raked in $1.8 billion from the worldwide box office, so James Cameron would have to make roughly 381 Titanic-sized blockbusters to settle Wall Street's debts.
According to the Centers for Disease Control, the single-year cost of obesity in the United States was $117 billion in 2000, or about one-seventh the bailout—although that number has been disputed.
If the federal government siphoned off Florida's gross domestic product, we could cover the bailout.
Invading the Netherlands might be advisable—that nation's GDP was $768.7 billion last year. Of course, invasions cost a lot of money. Back in 2003, the Bush administration told Congress that the Iraq war would cost between $60 billion and $100 billion, but it's estimated that, so far, we've spent about $600 billion.
Should the Treasury receive authority from Congress to borrow $700 billion, the national debt will rise by only about 7 percent. Right now, it's sitting at $9.6 trillion.
For historical perspective, consider that the Marshall Plan, which helped finance the recovery of Western Europe after World War II, cost the United States about $13 billion. Of course, in 2008 dollars that's more like $100 billion. And Niall Ferguson has estimated that as a comparable share of the U.S. GDP, it's more like $740 billion.
Lastly, in apocalyptic terms, $700 billion really isn't all that much. If nothing is done to change the way we finance Social Security, the trust fund reserves will be exhausted by 2041. This means that, in 75 years, there'll be a shortfall of $4.3 trillion—or about six bailouts.
According to the Stern report (issued by U.K. economist Sir Nicholas Stern), global climate change could cost the planet $9 trillion (or 12.86 bailouts) if we don't address the problem within the next decade or so.
Hopefully all that cleared things up a bit!
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anonlooker wrote:According to the Stern report (issued by U.K. economist Sir Nicholas Stern), global climate change could cost the planet $9 trillion (or 12.86 bailouts) if we don't address the problem within the next decade or so.
Interesting...the International Energy Agency recently opined that it would take roughly $45 trillion (or nearly 4 times the entire annual output of the U.S. economy) to "solve" the global warming "crisis". A figure which is more interesting still, since there is virtually no data concerning what percentage, if any, of global warming is caused by human activity--which would of course be the only portion actually addressable by humans...unless Obama plans to pass a law prohibiting sun spots and such.
They are, of course, just pulling these numbers out of their collective asses. Hold on to your wallets.
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Skarp - Premium Member
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Skarp wrote:anonlooker wrote:According to the Stern report (issued by U.K. economist Sir Nicholas Stern), global climate change could cost the planet $9 trillion (or 12.86 bailouts) if we don't address the problem within the next decade or so.
Interesting...the International Energy Agency recently opined that it would take roughly $45 trillion (or nearly 4 times the entire annual output of the U.S. economy) to "solve" the global warming "crisis". A figure which is more interesting still, since there is virtually no data concerning what percentage, if any, of global warming is caused by human activity--which would of course be the only portion actually addressable by humans...unless Obama plans to pass a law prohibiting sun spots and such.
They are, of course, just pulling these numbers out of their collective asses. Hold on to your wallets.
Which he will, if he's told to. LOL!
Don't worry about tomorrow. You did that yesterday.
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anonlooker - Posts: 3114
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If Obama wins, does the USA become a "Obamanation?"
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