Appeal of runner leaving early after sac fly is caught

[access2]

Runner on second, batter hits fly ball to right, ball gets caught. The runner tags heads to third and is safe.

After the ball is retrieved back to the pitcher, she goes to the mound, pithcher's coach tells her to throw the ball to second to appeal the call- claiming runner leaving early. Base umpire calls "safe".

At that same moment third base coach tells the runner at third to run home; she does and is called safe by the home base umpire.

Coach on defense this time appeals this call, saying that it should have been a deadball when the pitcher threw to second; that the runner at third should not have taken off from third. The argument from the third base coach is that time out was never called.

After the umps conferred, the runner was sent back to third. This was a friendly so no arguments ensued. The question is, must there be a time out called to make an appeal? Is it an automatic time out once pitcher threw to second for the appeal? Was this a live ball, still?

Just wondering? it may happen again

[wadeintothem]

dead ball appeals are made verbally..

You guys are thinking of a different sport.

Run scores.

[ontheroadagain]

As soon as the pitcher threw the ball to second it became a live ball.Run scores

[wadeintothem]

unless time was called, nothing made it a dead ball. What it did was remove Look back rule.

[MTR]

Runner on second, batter hits fly ball to right, ball gets caught. The runner tags heads to third and is safe.

After the ball is retrieved back to the pitcher, she goes to the mound, pithcher's coach tells her to throw the ball to second to appeal the call- claiming runner leaving early. Base umpire calls "safe".

"Mound"? You're on the wrong field.

At that same moment third base coach tells the runner at third to run home; she does and is called safe by the home base umpire.

Coach on defense this time appeals this call, saying that it should have been a deadball when the pitcher threw to second; that the runner at third should not have taken off from third. The argument from the third base coach is that time out was never called.

After the umps conferred, the runner was sent back to third. This was a friendly so no arguments ensued. The question is, must there be a time out called to make an appeal? Is it an automatic time out once pitcher threw to second for the appeal? Was this a live ball, still?

Just wondering? it may happen again

There is a train of thought in some areas that if it is obvious the defense is going to make an appeal, kill the ball as a matter of preventive umpiring. Obviously, this would prevent any advance by runners.

However, the ball isn't dead just because the pitcher threw the ball, but because the umpire recognized the appeal.

What it comes down to is that the D coach doesn't know the rules of the game and the O coach properly took advantage of that ignorance.

[REALLY]

They should have thrown to third and tagged the runner

[MTR]

They should have thrown to third and tagged the runner

No, REALLY, they shouldn't had. Throwing the ball ANYTIME in this situation is the dumbest thing they could had done.

All they "had" to do is ask the umpire for the appeal and not throw the ball ANYWHERE!

[wadeintothem]

Why on earth would someone want to throw the ball, especially with runners on?

Someone might steal home that way.

[access2]

Just as I thought, the run should have counted.

One of the blues, the who one reversed the call and made the runner go back to third said that the moment opposing coach was instructing his pitcher to throw to second, there was "an assumption" that time had been called.

I am sure it was just BS, it appears that they did not know what the right call should have been. Hell, I did not know either, hence this question But now we know

The beauty of the umpire corner on Heybucket-

[MTR]

Just as I thought, the run should have counted.

One of the blues, the who one reversed the call and made the runner go back to third said that the moment opposing coach was instructing his pitcher to throw to second, there was "an assumption" that time had been called.

I am sure it was just BS,

No, it is not BS. No more BS than an assumption that time is called when an umpire asked for help on a check swing, accepting a change, conferring with a coach, etc.

Just because it was a dumb move does not mean the umpire could not have controlled the situation better.