When Does BR Become Live?

[sofballin]

After the batter/runner reaches 1b (safely), when does she become a "live" BR if she makes an attempt to advance to 2B?

Is it simply the attempt, regardless if she crosses the 1B foul line?
Or is it making an attempt to advance AND crossing the foul line?

[MTR]

After the batter/runner reaches 1b (safely), when does she become a "live" BR if she makes an attempt to advance to 2B?

Is it simply the attempt, regardless if she crosses the 1B foul line?
Or is it making an attempt to advance AND crossing the foul line?

Just one question. What the hell are you talking about?

The B becomes a BR when s/he puts the ball into play or is awarded 1B.
The BR is a player who has complete the turn at bat, but has not reached 1B or been put out.
A B is a player who has reaced 1B safely.

I have no idea why you are referencing a foul line.

[sofballin]

After the batter/runner reaches 1b (safely), when does she become a "live" BR if she makes an attempt to advance to 2B?

Is it simply the attempt, regardless if she crosses the 1B foul line?
Or is it making an attempt to advance AND crossing the foul line?

Just one question. What the hell are you talking about?

The B becomes a BR when s/he puts the ball into play or is awarded 1B.
The BR is a player who has complete the turn at bat, but has not reached 1B or been put out.
A B is a player who has reaced 1B safely.

I have no idea why you are referencing a foul line.

Let me try this again......
After the batter crosses 1B safely, lets say the ball gets away from the first baseman, and the base runner now is thinking of advancing to 2B, but then changes his/her mind.

At what point does that base runner become live..... in other words, how far can he/she go before the defense is able to tag him/her out?

Maybe the foul line never comes into play?

Make sense now?

[HugoTafurst]

After the batter/runner reaches 1b (safely), when does she become a "live" BR if she makes an attempt to advance to 2B?

Is it simply the attempt, regardless if she crosses the 1B foul line?
Or is it making an attempt to advance AND crossing the foul line?

I think your use of the word "live" may also be part of the confusion... but either way the answer is that the foul line is immaterial.
ASA 8-7-H

"...When the batter-runner legally overruns first and attempts to run to second......"

The umpire's judgement of attempting to run to second is what puts the batter-runner in jeopardy.

[Trophy Hunter]

The confusion may be (if I remember correctly) that in baseball after crossing first base the runner has to turn right to return to the base. If he turns left, he is "live" to be put out.

I don't think in softball it matters which way the runner turns after crossing first, but rather whether or not she makes an effort to advance. In softball I see most kids simply stop on the line shortly after crossing the bag.

[MTR]

The confusion may be (if I remember correctly) that in baseball after crossing first base the runner has to turn right to return to the base. If he turns left, he is "live" to be put out.

I don't think in softball it matters which way the runner turns after crossing first, but rather whether or not she makes an effort to advance. In softball I see most kids simply stop on the line shortly after crossing the bag.

Baseball does not have such a rule

[GIMNEPIWO]

Where is the ball ? Does the pitcher have possession of it in the circle ?

[UmpSteve]

Where is the ball ? Does the pitcher have possession of it in the circle ?

Don't go there. Mixing in the LBR with its different violation possibilities (and different in various rule sets, besides) will confuse people not grasping the "not out when overrunning first base" concept, which is universal.

Doesn't matter which way the runner turns; the runner is not in jeopardy when overrunning first base and then returning to first base until/unless the runner makes a move that is an effort to second base. From either side of the foul line, or which way the runner turns. No matter where the ball is.

[GIMNEPIWO]

Where is the ball ? Does the pitcher have possession of it in the circle ?

Don't go there. Mixing in the LBR with its different violation possibilities (and different in various rule sets, besides) will confuse people not grasping the "not out when overrunning first base" concept, which is universal.

Doesn't matter which way the runner turns; the runner is not in jeopardy when overrunning first base and then returning to first base until/unless the runner makes a move that is an effort to second base. From either side of the foul line, or which way the runner turns. No matter where the ball is.

Agree ... Not trying to confuse the issue ... But, the OP was a little bit confused to begin with ... I was more trying to clarify than confuse ...

[Trophy Hunter]

Thank you to the two umpires (Hugo and Steve) who were able to comprehend a simple question and provide a simple answer.