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by Dshelby » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:00 am

Watch Zoey's video and tell me what you think. She throws 51-54 consistently but I know that her form is not all there. Please watch and say what you think this video is just for fun and learn what needs to be fixed.http://youtu.be/sae64G2WRj4
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by hit4power » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:43 pm

Class of 2020 implies she is 12 yrs old. You will be best served by sharing this video with her pitching coach rather than here. To save some others the need of posting, if you want some advice, make sure she is working with a qualified pitching coach, make sure she is having fun, make sure she plays other sports for part of the year, and make sure she gets some breaks from softball during the year,
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by Dark Angel Coach » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:01 am

Make sure her push foot (right foot) is not turning sideways when she starts her push.
And she should finish her pitching hand up by her left cheek or left shoulder.
She seems to be stopping it right after release.
Think of pitching as throwing overhand just upside down.
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by Mark H » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:30 am

hit4power wrote:Class of 2020 implies she is 12 yrs old. You will be best served by sharing this video with her pitching coach rather than here. To save some others the need of posting, if you want some advice, make sure she is working with a qualified pitching coach, make sure she is having fun, make sure she plays other sports for part of the year, and make sure she gets some breaks from softball during the year,


What if he has chosen the wrong pitching coach? What's the harm in asking what others see? What if the verbiage a Heybucket poster uses gives them that aha moment? Not too impressed with your answer to a parent reaching out for help.
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by aparent » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:54 am

go check out the pitching forum at DiscussFastpitch.
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by Mark H » Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:01 am

Yeah DF is a good call. Headed to lunch now. When I get back I'll study and see what I can offer. In the meantime, just as with hitting, compare everything anyone says about pitching to video of the best in the world. Here's a link to start with. http://imageevent.com/siggy/throwing/wi ... wf4.frog_s

Ueno gets a lot of speed out of not that much body. Cat spins it better than anyone in the world. I'd key on those two.
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by blue1956 » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:39 am

when her hand comes back ball should be facing backwards not forward ... drive foot should be stay straight like if was at a starting line of a sprint, knee over toes driving forward .
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by aparent » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:29 pm

What blue said is correct, both the foot and the hand position, but to expand a little, the reason you want the ball facing backwards (2nd) base during the back swing on the load is to get the right shoulder muscles engaged in a pulling motion instead of a pushing motion. In your kid's case it is not having a bad effect downstream as she is not pushing or bowling the ball into release so it isn't a big concern with her, but it is not ideal.

As for the feet, she is robbing herself of power by driving out on a foot that is completely turned. if she can get more of an ankle over toes drive with that foot she will get more drive power. Many great pitchers have a little bit of a turn of the foot on the drive (as do sprinters) you just don't want it so severe.

The two biggest things you can help her with however are:

1) Get her arm looser as she goes from 9 o clock to release and let her forearm whip more. The forearm should actually have a little bend in it in this part of the motion.

2) Get her posture more upright at release so her arm is not clearing her side but actually making contact with her rear hip/thigh area. You don't want it to slam, but the forearm should contact the hip area and kind of roll over it. This does three things, it give a stable release point and improves accuracy, it enhances spin by accelerating snap and it adds speed by helping to deccelerate the upper arm and allowing that lagging forearm to whip around.

That second point will be controversial, but if you look at video of ALL the great pitchers you will see this mechanic at work. The three videos Mark posted of three of the best of all time all have pretty significant contact at release.


to quote a very renowned pitching coach on the topic of that contact..."it is God's truth" in pitching...see the videos in this link.

http://balswickfastpitch.com/videos/
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by Mark H » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:45 pm

blue1956 wrote:when her hand comes back ball should be facing backwards not forward.


Like this? http://imageevent.com/siggy/throwing/wi ... =4&s=0&z=9


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blue1956 wrote:.. drive foot should be stay straight like if was at a starting line of a sprint, knee over toes driving forward .
Won't that hinder the opening and closing of the hips?
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by Mark H » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:00 pm

aparent wrote:What blue said is correct, both the foot and the hand position, but to expand a little, the reason you want the ball facing backwards (2nd) base during the back swing on the load is to get the right shoulder muscles engaged in a pulling motion instead of a pushing motion. In your kid's case it is not having a bad effect downstream as she is not pushing or bowling the ball into release so it isn't a big concern with her, but it is not ideal.
You mean facing second base near the bottom of the arm swing? IOW, shoulder externally rotated before a very fast internal rotation passing the hip.


aparent wrote:The two biggest things you can help her with however are:

aparent wrote:1) Get her arm looser as she goes from 9 o clock to release and let her forearm whip more. The forearm should actually have a little bend in it in this part of the motion.
Agreed.

aparent wrote:2) Get her posture more upright at release
Yep

aparent wrote:That second point will be controversial, but if you look at video of ALL the great pitchers you will see this mechanic at work. The three videos Mark posted of three of the best of all time all have pretty significant contact at release.
Or very close.

DShelby,

This is the kind of stuff you can get on a public board worded in different ways that may click for you. You can also get real stupid stuff on pitching or hitting. So again, always compare everything anyone says about pitching or hitting to lots of slow motion video clips of elite pitchers and hitters. Use a board like this to check what your local instructor is saying and use the clips to check what EVERYONE is saying. Public boards like this are good for giving you questions to investigate using the clips. Local instructors are good for helping you learn once you have qualified them with the clips.
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